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the actual date or there being a shooting are sourced. That is vague to the point of being uninformative, no date, no location, not even a general description of the incident. It does not really inform the reader much does it? If you think it should be included I have no real objections other than that.
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Well what? If you are waiting for something, you could use the time to justify your disgusting revert. "I don't revert good edits"..the evidence proves you did, and when asked to justify your disgusting revert you claimed you don't have time. Well if you do not have time to check the accuracy of the
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I think this will best be done by creating a long table including deaths and injuries and colour coding them by perpetrator, like is done on some other terrorist or crime chronologies, with a copy of the full chronology in seperate sub articles below. Under the be bold policy I shall do this later
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Finally, a voice of reason thank you. I take your point about roughly dated, however the only item I can see this applying to is the "Armagh CIRA members were responsible for a particularly serious incident in May" which is the only part of the original addition which is sourced by the IMC, neither
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So a couple of things, undated/rougly dated /monthly dated items in a chronology seem fair enough to me, if you can tie them to a month. Some things can't be exact by their nature, or may spill over multiple months or even multiple days - removing something simply because it doesn't have a complete
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The Independent Monitoring Commission blamed the CIRA for orchestrating civil disturbances, hijackings and rioting in Craigavon. It also stated that it believed the CIRA tried to lure police officers into positions where they could be attacked. A number of shots were fired during the disturbances."
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OFenian, why are you ruthlessly deleting so much material? E.g., the last item in 2009. The source says a suspected CIRA member is awaiting sentence. The article said he was "arrested and charged". Rather than change the ection to match the source, you just deleted it? That might be interpreted as
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I think it would be more neutral to merge all the articles listing timelines of active republican and unionist paramilitaries's attacks rather than separating them. I think this will best be done by creating a long table including deaths and injuries and colour coding them by perpetrator, like is
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Neither of you are doing yourselves any favours with heated language (I am such a hypocrite, I know I get heated on NI articles, however). "Disgusting" is a loaded term and both of you are starting to wiki-lawyer, which you both know will do no good in the end. Yes the burden relies on the person
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Try answering 2, 3, 4 and 7, after you have bothered to read them. I have read the policy, the burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material (which would be you) not the editor removing it (which would be me). As you've yet to provide sources showing the dates and other
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To answer your question, an alleged CIRA member awaiting sentence is not a CIRA action. Are we to have entry for when someone is arrested, one for when they are charged, another for when they appear in court, another for if they are found guilty, another for when they are awaiting sentence and
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2 26 May 2008 - The commission is, to me, a reliable source. I'd say you could mention the 6 month active period mentioned in the report and the activities the report, err, reported. Perhaps at the end of the last month have a line or two "Start Date - End Date: Increased activity, blah blah,
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OK I'm butting in being vaguely uninvolved (although not uninvolved in NI articles as a whole), after adding the arbcom tag. Lord knows had that pushed in my face before heavy handedly so lets just assume you're both now aware that there's a 1 revert rule; and you know how it
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You're a funny little man. You moved it to be inline with two articles that didn't even exist at the time and another article you moved at the exact same time?! There's a subtle diference between a timeline and a chronlogy, this is a chronology not a timeline.
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I think it would be more neutral to merge all the articles listing timelines of active republican and unionist paramilitaries's attacks rather than separating them. It is hard to objectively compare the actions of each group without a direct comparison.
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Armed members of the Continuity IRA raided an illegal drugs factory in west Belfast. A large number of cannabis plants were destroyed. A number of days later the police arrived at the factory and recovered over ÂŁ100,000 worth of cannabis." is sourced by
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1 22 March 2008 - no reliable sources I'm afraid. However I freely admit I'm biased when it comes to Saoirse, which to me is as much a propaganda sheet as it is a newspaper. You may want a "proper" ruling on its status as a reliable
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Also, in case you have not checked, not all the items listed above were actually deleted. 3 and 4 were amended by me to include the correct date(s) according to the source, however these changes were constantly reverted.
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I've read the questions and answered them. Meanwhile it's clear you haven't read the policy. You are in danger of breaching 3rr. Let the 'refimprove' tags sit, and better references will be added within a week.
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No, you have not. Your answer makes it clear you have not even read the questions. If the policy is that, prove the incidents happened on those date (and as described in the article) before adding them back.
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Following investigations into drug dealing and allegations of CIRA involvement into activities in Belfast it has come to our attention that some individuals are using the name CIRA to engage in drug dealing
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adding claims; however look at it like an AFD for notability - the nominator should do his own checks rather than just looking at the lack of references in an article. Don't make me slap both your legs :)
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You're both very welcome. I only did it because I don't like the heavy handed approach to 1RR that arbcom takes when you've never seen it before, so heading this off at the pass seemed like a fun idea.
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3 23 July 2008 - The source is dated the 23th, but the threat is referred to as the preceding Saturday. So use the Saturday date in the time line, but obviously the reporting date in the citation tag.
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reliable sources, and neither is YouTube - even if it is a news report there's copyright problems to consider. The lack of dates on belfastmedia would make their use in a reference suspect I'm afraid.
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So of all of those, bar #6, the dates seem to be your problem? Then you add a 'cn' tag for the dates. Or you remove the date. As stated above. For #6, you add a 'cn' tag for the whole entry.
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Now how about you answer my questions about your disgusting revert. Each point is numbered so it should not be too difficult to explain each in turn. I will not hold my breath though..
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A voice of reason? I feel dirty. I admit I didn't check, I was just butting in before Arbcom gets involved. Rather than assigning blame, I thought I'd look at each point one by one
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etc. This was reverted for being "disruptive and undiscussed", so I've brought it to the talk page. If there aren't any objections by this time next week I'll move it back.
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cemetery two masked and armed members of the CIRA read a statement on behalf of the East Tyrone Brigade CIRA and fired a number of shots into the air" is sourced by
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The CIRA issued a statement threatening to shoot drug dealers who were using their groups name as a cover for criminal activity. In the statement they said "
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Now as for sources, I'm not sure rira could be an unbiased source here, after all they tried to distance and separate themselves from the CIRA. Forums are
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material you are reverting and ensure it is compliant with policy, do not bother to revert or cast aspersions on the people who are complying with policy.
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I'm more than happy to be a third party of things like this for either of you, just remember my own inherent biases as I've tried to make clear above! --
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Thanks for your input, Blowdart, much appreciated. Will proceed to edit/reinclude based on what you've outlined above, over the next while.
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I was bringing the article in line with policy, unlike your disguting revert. Why are you restoring large amounts of unsourced information?
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which makes it clear not all of those events happened on 25 August, some were on 26 August. So why amend it back to just 25 August?
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The 9th of January removal seems fair, the BBC link mentions nothing about the CIRA, nor a link to the CIRA undated statement. --
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done on some other terrorist or crime chronologies. Under the be bold policy I shall do this later today or tommorow.
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which says the threat was made on the Saturday (the 19th) so why change it back to the 23rd and remove the link?
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