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that!) and then there's the problem of discerning her father George from her brothers, esp. George and James, who also became a minister (the title "Revd." seems ambiguous?). You might want to prepare the reader in the lead by saying exactly how many siblings she had, and introducing the family members by name, and perhaps some of the more important friends, such as the Leigh-Parrots and the
Lefroys. Some people will also want a list of Jane Austen's potential suitors, tied to the year for quick reference. A thumbnail timeline of her dwellings over the years (perhaps with a little map?) in the lead might be helpful (see below); for example, some readers will wonder where Steventon is the first time they see it? :)
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where do we end? I thought of this timeline as a very stripped down version of history with a decent addition of literary history (relevant because Austen was a writer). If we start to add musical history, we are going to have to add scientific history and a bunch of other things. Just as if we add Kant, we are going to have add a bunch of other philosophers. My continuing mantra has been to rely on the sources I had. I would prefer to rely on sources rather than go looking for citations for things we want to add. If you guys can find a couple of good
European timelines, I would feel more comfortable, but please remember that don't want to dwarf Austen by a history of Europe in the other column.
2559:, I used to have many more scientific discoveries, but I was persuaded to take those out, as they were not directly relevant to MW either. However, they are just the kind of "broad historical sweep" that I had wanted to include to make history more than politics. Unfortunately, few people agreed with me on that. When I took that timeline through FLC last time, I really had to argue for the non-author columns - many people saw them as irrelevant or subjective. We, I think, are much closer in philosophy. However, I guess I am skittish now and am mindful of the criticism from last time. *sigh*
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issue. He provides no real principle on which to distinguish between what rightfully belongs in a list like this and what should be excluded. I think he's forgetting the audience for which WP in general and our work in particular is aimed. General readers, high school students and college students need context to be able to fit JA into what they already know and are in the process of learning. I would prefer to go into WP:FLC with a list we think is the best we can do and let others make their objections at that point. We will have supporters, and we will have the better argument.
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characters that Willow suggested. I want to play with a couple of ideas so it may be two days or so. I'll post a draft here. I'd be happy to consult with whoever is working on the family tree and map. There are a couple of detailed family trees in the back of the 1913 edition of Austen-Leigh and Austen-Leigh, which I could perhaps scan and send by e.mail to the appropriate person. I think this work is out of copyright.
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a somewhat technical term of politics (it has an even more specialized meaning in my own professional field - perhaps that's why it caught my eye). Is there another term that would do the job and be more accessible at the same time? Perhaps "government sponsored" or "government-backed" or "government instigated" would work. You know the history on this, so please make the call and I will abide. Thanks.
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fiancé. It is a JA timeline, of course, and there is the point that including Tom Fowle might confuse the reader, but Fowle does appear in the
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I'm concerned that it's too long - that is easier to see on my office computer which has mediocre resolution. On the other hand, approximately this much is needed to cover the necessary people, places and events. I can think of a sentence or two to remove (Samuel
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Awadewit: I'm sure you are correct that "ministerial" is correct and the reversion is fine if the term I used was not. My change was motivated by a concern that "ministerial" might not be understood by "the average reader not a specialist in the field" and might attract undue attention at FLR. It is
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One of the "family trees," dealing with Austen's parents, siblings and cousin, has been added. We need to consider whether the second (nieces and nephews) should be included. I'm inclined to do so, as the births and later activities of various nieces and nephews are noted in the time line. Placement
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I think there are several goals: Show Austen's milieu as she understood it (sometimes this includes familiar writers); show Austen to readers in a milieu they recognize; show Austen in a large historical sweep. I sympathize with your desire to include continental literature, and I left in as many as
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and it is always good to try to achieve consensus - we will achieve nothing by being intractable on this issue. By the way, I am not so philosophically separated from you and Willow (as you can tell from the linked discussion). However, I do worry about "addition-itis". Once we start down this road,
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The lead needs more work, I think, but I'm unclear in my own mind how much. It seems a little too long and too much like the lead to the JA Article, which has a different purpose. I'm going to fiddle with it a bit - I'm concerned about messing up the footnotes but we can revert it and start again if
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The historical time line lists only a few items I consider even slightly "off point": Royal
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I actually think the empty boxes are good - the reader isn't overwhelmed at every moment with text and eventful years are easily discerned (such as 1789). I am wary of making years look more significant than they are. By the way, most of the Corn Laws were passed after Austen's death, but I bet you
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These were all added by Willow and none of them appeared in the sources I used to construct the timeline originally. The entries she added that were included on those timelines, I left int. I do worry about having too much of a German flavor, if we are not also going to have French. However, Austen
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idea of what is important - I want it to show what other scholars think is important. I am actually comfortable with how it is now. With the newly expanded introduction, I think a more restrictive timeline makes even more sense - that is what is explained at the outset. Let me know what you think.
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Again, this really goes outside the scope of the timeline, I think. If this were a timeline primarily about political history, I might consider it, but we have to figure out how to draw lines. If we do this for this historical entry, we would have to do it for many more, ballooning the size of the
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But perhaps I've misunderstood the goal. If the scope of the article is restricted to the factors that influenced her and her writing directly, then we might indeed have to eliminate
Beethoven and Schiller for lack of a reliable source showing their connection to Jane Austen. But that goal seems
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Darnton confirms Willow's information: the first volume of text appeared in 1751, the second through seventh volumes of text periodically thereafter through 1757, the final ten volumes of text together in 1765, and eleven volumes of plates which appeared periodically thereafter through 1772. The
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I expressed my view earlier that the literary and historical columns are principally useful for the purpose of providing context to orient the non-specialist reader and should not be limited to things Jane Austen read or knew. Given the absence of biographical evidence, we don't know all (or even
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The timeline reads excellently, especially the lead section. You might consider adding another paragraph, however, to give the reader a fuller introduction to the cast of characters occurring in column 1. It was rather hard to keep all her brothers and their wives straight, (I'm usually good at
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The dozen-some empty boxes in literature and history still seem unsightly, and withholding helpful contextual information from readers seems inconsistent with an encyclopedia's goals, doesn't it? Still, I should probably draw out those FAC critics (or re-read their words) to help me understand
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As you can tell, I'm with WillowW on this issue. I did look at the discussion you referred me to, and saw that you ran into an apparent roadblock with Circeus. I understand your skittishness. I don't know Circeus. While his web page suggests that he's a solid WP citizen, he's just wrong on this
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because it was based on other timelines. However, if we starting adding individual items because we want them there, it will start to become so. That is why I am so keen on using other timelines as sources - preferably two or more. Almost every entry on the original timeline was on at least two
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No apology needed! I do think they looked attractive; lists can be rather grey to look at and they both decorated and informed the reader. Is there any layout reason that should limit the use of images in a list, or any accessibility concerns? I think they all had alt text, for example.
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Less on her works and writing style, maybe? Originally we had just copied this lead from the article and then I added the historical background. I think information on her life is good though. I think we really need information on her economic status, which explains all of the traveling.
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most) of what Jane Austen read or knew, although we can make well-educated guesses as to her reading based on available evidence. Accordingly, in my opinion, items of significance should be included in areas such as music, science, and military and political history, as has been done.
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was not yet completely published, since it was all text; eleven volumes of plates were completed in 1772. Thus, the sometimes inflammatory text was published in full by 1765, but the publication of the encyclopedia as a whole (all 28 volumes) was completed only in 1772.
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I know that you love music. :) But please consider that, by the same criterion, politics and the passage of various bills in Parliament seem just as tangential to Jane Austen and her life? For example, is there actually a source somewhere that says, "Passage of the
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Oh my god. I think the issue is that there are so many volumes and each person defines the "end" differently, some counting supplements and illustration volumes and some not. Whatever date we pick, we are going to have to insert a footnote. Doesn't bode well for the
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Done -- it looks like the only missing change is the dashes, so perhaps you could rerun that script? I'll look through the article again and fix anything else I see, but if it's like most of Awadewit's work there won't be much that can be done to improve it.
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No, I don't think there's an issue with the images being there in terms of accessibility on reflection. I'm not sure how screen readers deal with tables, text and images all together, but right now I don't see a good reason to not re-add them. Sorry again!
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Le Faye is for scholars, although it might not be a bad idea to include a reference to it to point the way for those who need more detail. Do you have (access to) the necessary biblio info? Are there other similar resources known to you that could be added?
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I agree with your earlier comment that the foreign literature listings are heavy on German literature and light on French literature. The balance needs correction, by addition or subtraction. If we decide to add, I will undertake to source the new items.
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I've reorganized still further, putting the biography before the works, which is appropriate for a timeline, I think. Also, the works were discussed in two separate paragraphs, which seemed a bit odd. What do you think? Improvement or not?
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I understand your point about original research - in different contexts, OR can mean different things. My overall evaluation of the article is expressed below. Why don't we prune a couple of the German literature listings and move on.
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As much as I love classical, I have removed the musical history because Austen would have had no chance to see or hear the premiere of Mozart of Beethoven's works. Also, I already had to remove much of the scientific history for the
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I don't have a particular chronology in mind. I hope to be able to source most (if not all) items from books on hand - why else have I accumulated so many? If you e.mail me a list of items, or list them here, I will go to work.
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I removed the "outlying" events you mentioned (except the formation of the Religious Tract Society, which is less outlying, I think) and renamed the categories "Literary history" and "Political history". What do you think?
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that I can find what you are looking for in relation to some other law - for example, property laws. You see, there is so much written on Austen, that you can pretty much find whatever you want to find. :) Don't tempt me!
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OK. I'm about to have to leave where I am and don't want to do half the job, so when I get back to the house I'll revert to the version with images and see if I can redo any other useful interim edits. Thanks --
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It was hard to keep track of where Jane was when she was writing different works? The location of the other characters is not as important, but I think it would be good to keep Jane and her location in stronger
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suitors, much as I like the substance - can these be added to the main article?) but not much more than that without compromising its function. But my viewpoint may be still too close to the thing.
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work finding sources for the Samuel Johnson and Lessing works! :) But can I argue for a slightly more liberal criterion for inclusion, especially if a box has been left blank?
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Hi, I'm guessing that your note pertains to my additions? I think I understand the problem, and I also appreciate your
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I am checking my sources to see if Willow's additions are on them.
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You're going to love this. Palmer, Colton and Kramer.
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1398:Jane Austen: A Study of Her Artistic Development
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1221:—Preceding
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2056:Ulan Bator
1902:Ode to Joy
1898:Schiller's
1621:What now?
1328:References
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1166:George III
1109:Persuasion
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2149:Comments
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1996:Simmaren
1979:Awadewit
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1235:contribs
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1213:Luddites
1205:Napoleon
1194:and the
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1115:Sanditon
1088:(1813),
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998:Awadewit
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1949:Leonora
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