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English, SHIKI's name is written in all-caps"), and outright misinformation that somebody made up (Noel's entire profile). The whole section is so problematic I deemed it appropriate to remove it entirely, but since someone restored it I figured I would point out the problems here. At the very least I think all supporting characters should be removed entirely, and the main character profiles should be rewritten to be more succinct, and if nobody is willing to do that then the whole section ought to be removed. Finally, the only reasoning given for the section being restored was "it's not that long compared to other such lists, and is a standard feature of such artciles" but I do not see how "other articles, which also go against Knowledge guidelines, are worse" is any form of justification here.
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Tsukihime characters." After all she never shows up in the Tsukihime anyway. It also seems like Roa's page lack any of the information you mention above.... I don't feel like deleting
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states also it doesn't. Size alone doesn't matter. We aren't making articles on plot. That's what fan wikis are for. Yes, we need some basic plot info, but blow-by-blow details are not what we are after and many people don't want (hell even some people think what little we have in our quality is
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It is made by Type-Moon, and some of the characters are in Melty Blood. Added to that, it is a relatively big visual novel. (In size, not popularity.) Information on the game itself warrants its own page, due to its size. If we added a section on the whole damn thing here, we'd have a very large
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