Talk:Turning Point USA

1789:, DUEWEIGHT says "Neutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in those source". The keyword here is "viewpoints". Not "words". The word "Turning Point" alone isn't a viewpoint, therefore a word use count per this NBC article has no relevance in a section labeled "1964 Civil Rights Act and Martin Luther King Jr section", specifically in this case unless there is a sentence that contains both Turning Point and "Civil Rights Act" and/or "MLK Jr". There is not. Not once is there anywhere in the NBC article that references Turning Point USA and anything to do with the Civil Rights Act and/or MLK Jr. Therefore to include it in this article as such would be 1449:. I'm concerned that the rest of the section isn't really relatable to TPUSA either, I mean the remainder of the information in said section discusses comments made by Kirk, one being made at Americafest. To clarify, just because Charlie Kirk made a comment at Americafest about MLK, it doesn't warrant inclusion on the TPUSA article. Coverage of the remark is singularly sourced and is not notable (A more and more common trait to this article). The remainder of the information in the section is not significant information either(Kirk previously liking MLK as well as TPUSA selling MLK T-shirts online are not notable). I think we should remove the rest of the section it doesn't really belong in this article. 2136:

interchangeable. Therefore if a reliable source/article does not expressly state complicit action from TPUSA in a TPAction incident, it does not belong in this article. A description of relation doesn't imply complicity either, if an article says TPAction is the sister organization of TPUSA (and that is the only mention of TPUSA in that article), there isn't enough weight to add it into this article. That would set a dangerous precedence and confuse readers into blatantly inaccurate conclusions.

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being downloaded between 500,000 and 750,000 times each day. It’s ranked No. 13 on Apple Podcasts for news." Information about comments made on Kirk's podcast belongs on Charlie Kirk's personal page. TPUSA article is not improved by quoting Kirk's podcast comments. Removing the content and moving it over to Charlie's personal page is a great compromise based in previous discussion and precedence on this talk page. I will be removing the content and moving it over to Kirk's page.

1513:. Kirk had opinions about MLK jr. -“MLK was awful,” Kirk said. “He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe.” He has opinions about the Civil Rights acts. Saying “We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s.” I stand beside my previous statements above, the section has nothing to do with TPUSA, I can't entertain the idea that Kirk's quotes are extreme views and that it improves the TPUSA article in any way. 772: 751: 959: 782: 650: 2822:, the editors that added the content did not come to discuss the topic of inclusion even when pinged because they can not counter the logic/policy outlined here on the talk page or simply did not care. The information about Tyler Bowyer and the indictment/fake electors does not belong on this page. There are zero sources linking TPUSA to anything Bowyer did regarding election activity. Any argument for inclusion is weak. According to 545: 2419:

an article about his actions (the fake electors indictment, for example) does not mean that Turning Point USA is involved with those actions. Rather, it is the news outlet providing more background. I agree with the metaphor MaximusEditor used and the fact that the inclusion of events on the page of an organization that was not directly involved is just unethical editing and a dishonest service to any reader who clicks on the page.

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precedence that stuff that he says or does as head of TPUSA should be listed here and stuff that he says as his own personal opinions or rants belong on his personal page. I think there was an issue with editors clogging this page with every single provocative thing Kirk said and so it has been addressed. Move the MLK and civil race comments to his page. Keep Kirk's personal views off this page.

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has argued to remove it entirely from Knowledge. Rather, it appears obvious that it is not appropriate for an employee's actions to be on the page of his employer when that company was not directly involved. This is the page for TPUSA and should only have things on it relating to the organization, its actions, its rhetoric, etc. Plus, Knowledge already has a page regarding the

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and the reliable NBC article cited did not mention TPUSA in the article, *It did mention TPAction). At this moment the discussion to move all non-related content over to a newly created Tyler Bowyer article is ongoing, but in the meantime I will be moving strictly the information regarding the indictment over to the

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Bowyer's previous tenure with Turning Point USA and what titles he held should stay on the leadership page, although with an accurate timeline. Any other actions by Bowyer, both the fake elector scandal and all future actions that he does in his own time, should definitely not be on the Turning Point

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says " The reliability of a source depends on context. Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made in the Knowledge article and is an appropriate source for that content." & " Sources should directly support the information as it is presented

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As of now, this split should go forward and you should be willing to let that happen unless you or other editors can provide more concrete examples of Knowledge policy that contradict that consensus. if consensus ends up changing, and it is determined that Bowyer should not be split due to arguments

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The amount of controversy on this talk page and the edits that have occurred make it very obvious that Bowyer needs to be split to adequately cover the events that have transpired. No one is disagreeing with the validity of the content being added about Bowyer's actions, and no one on this talk page

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article. Unless those new invited editors can provide RS that indicate TPUSA was somehow involved in this fake electors scandal, then it remains as it is, TPUSA has zero involvement. The RNC does. I don't see how editors weighing in without stating any kind of policy can produce any more consensus

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would come discuss, as his edit summary reasoning for dumping unrelated content was that there was simply no where better to put it. As you can see I have tried to remedy that reasoning with creating a Tyler Bowyer article creation process. Only you have rejected that proposal so far. I have also

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I restored a short version of the content you removed, to note for the sake of fairness that Bowyer pleaded not guilty. NBC's naming of Turning Point Action (often described as TPUSA's campaign arm), in addition to the other current sources' description of Boyer as an executive of Turning Point USA,

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to TPUSA and with lots of editors expressing that he is notable enough for inclusion we should give him his own article at this point, he has enough sourced material to sustain a lone article. Some content not relevant to this article was added due to this being the "Closest alternative" which isn't

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I am proposing (After advocating for a long time that the Bowyer section be trimmed to keeping only content relevant to TPUSA) that Tyler Bowyer get a split out from this article. We can keep relevant well sourced content, such as when he was COO of TPUSA under the leadership section) however there

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are calling TPAction "TPUSA's campaign arm" then you are welcome to put that exact phrase into this article, but you still have lacked supplying this talk page with any RS stating they are factually more than just shared branding. Please do share any articles if you have found anything otherwise, I

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that have been cited in the past on this page appear to have issued corrections as they themselves have failed to make this distinction in their coverage. From sources that have been provided by some editors in the past, along with additional research, it is evident that these two organizations are

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I don't understand why exactly an employee should have such a substantial amount of content on his employer's page that includes actions he performed outside his duties with that employer. Along those same lines, just because a reliable source describes Bowyer as an employee of Turning Point USA in

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Nothing disingenuous about accuracy, TPUSA is not the "Parent" company of Turning Point Action, some people label them as "sister" organizations because Charlie Kirk was at the helm for both of them and they share the "Turning Point" in the name, but one does not have any oversight over the other.

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Now the NBC article does have context with comments made on Charlie Kirk's podcast. "As Turning Point USA flourishes, Kirk simultaneously has another venture that is making waves throughout the right — his podcast. A Turning Point spokesperson provided NBC News with internal data showing that it is

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the decision should be based on how much the cited RS say about Turning Point. If Turning Point is named with substantial context in the reliable source, then the source is likely to belong in this article. Turning Point is named 18 times in the NBC article and 7 times in the Wired article, so they

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It's pretty simple and straight forward, if the information added to an article directly pertains to subject of the article (in this case TPUSA) then add it, if not keep it out. There has been previous discussion on this talk page (When Charlie Kirk was being split out to his own article) that set

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The basis of this discussion is that the "1964 Civil Rights Act and Martin Luther King Jr" section is about Charlie Kirk's remarks regarding the section subject matter, which has zero relevance to TPUSA. This NBC article doesn't make any connection for the comments made about MLK/Civil Rights acts

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Just because two editors and two IPs contributed to this page in some capacity does not mean they agree with you in your stance on splitting. Saying they "likely" agree with you when they have not engaged in this conversation on the talk page, even after you tagged them, is not sufficient. We need

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edit, (Removing more non-TPUSA related content regarding Tyler Bowyer's involvement in the fake elector scandal.) It is blatantly obvious that this is just becoming the place where editors are dumping any/all information regarding Tyler Bower. (One of the cited articles didn't even mention Bowyer,

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separate entities, but share obvious similarities in both their names and the fact that Charlie Kirk founded both of them. Nonetheless, this distinction needs to be more clear, as it would be unfair to Turning Point USA to attribute actions to them on their Knowledge page that they did not perform.

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Lets say a well known actor that was previously on a popular tv show (we will call this show "X") got a D.U.I. Would we put that information onto that "X" TV show's article if the journalist made one reference such as; "actor" previously known for his role on the popular "X" TV Show got a DUI. The

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TPUSA has an obvious conservative agenda, but saying that the organization is tied with the RNC is an incorrect statement and would be against the law for them to do so. If Charlie Kirk is making comments about the RNC, the Republican party, or making endorsements of a political candidate, that is

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Turning Point has no direct association with the RNC or the Republican Party because they are a non-profit. TPUSA is a 501c3 organization, and the IRS states that such organizations are prohibited from "directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of

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article, (It's the one sole cited article in the problematic Civil Rights section currently referencing one relatable fact; that Kirk made the remarks at the TPUSA Americafest event). The following google search results were a litany of either articles that directly cited the Wired.com article as

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as being directly associated with his indictment. We need to move that information over onto the RNC page. Having unrelated info on the indictment could confuse readers into thinking that TPUSA could be in some way attached and that would be false. I think some editors, albeit in good faith are

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I don't think anyone is saying there's no connection between a group's founding leader and his group. The question at hand is whether or not Kirk's comments should be put on Turning Point USA's page. Comments made on Kirk's podcast seem far more fitting to be put on his own page, rather than this

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If you are concerned that mentioning the indictment of Bowyer, its COO, unjustly implicates TPUSA as a group, then perhaps some brief and reliably sourced explanation could be added to clarify in what capacity Bowyer was charged. Also, you may be overly personalizing this disagreement; note that

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I asked you to provide RS that implicates TPUSA with the Arizona fake elector hearing. You can't provide anything, you keep giving us random articles with zero relevance. We already have RS stating his tenure as COO of TPUSA. This article is just redundant in verifying the fact that Tyler once

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I do not challenge any reliable content being sourced that specifically names TPUSA and TPAction in relation to an incident be removed from this article. It isn't up to editors to decide that two legally separate organizations (a 501(c)3 non profit & and a 501(c)4 non-profit) are some how

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linked two articles about Bowyer being indicted that only mention TPUSA solely as a passing reference ("reference" being defined as - "the use of a source of information in order to ascertain something.) for his tenure of employment. Maybe you can clarify? Not in any form do any of the cited

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was split out to begin with. Posting a quote from a single editor who opposed the split on the TPAction talk page does not make the fact it was split out untrue. It was talked about and it was split out because consensus was reached they are not to be treated as one entity. Blending the two

1878: 2498:, prior consensus on this talk page is that TPAction and TPUSA are separate entities and the only way you can include TPAction content on this article is if there is specific language used in the cited sources that TPUSA was involved in the outlined content as well. That is why the 1916:. However, Turning Point Action can, that is why we have a separate article for information pertaining to Turning Point Action. You do not want to put erroneous information on this article that could confuse readers into thinking TPUSA was breaching its non-profit 501(c)(3) status. 2682:) that accurately define/outline the use-case of the information regarding the indictment of Tyler Bowyer through his activity and time being a committeman at the RNC, and supplied two articles to relocate the information that actually have relevancy. Those two articles are the 446: 1793:. Trying to use this NBC article to give weight to somehow link comments Charlie Kirk made to TPUSA is flat out false and out of context. DUEWEIGHT is only applicable with correct context. Having said that, does it belong on Charlie Kirk's personal page. Yes absolutely. 1590:

In those 18 times Turning Point was mentioned, there is not any mention or connection from those Republicans making criticism of Kirk with TPUSA? That is why you trying to add a sentence in the article that there was, when there isn't is SYNTH. You took two separate

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there is currently no Knowledge article for Tyler Bowyer, this article's sub-section about him is therefore the closest alternative, and already contains assorted biographical information about Bowyer; thus information about him shouldn't be delegated to other

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This reasoning was only sufficient enough for a temporary place holder for the added information. Now it is time to create a Tyler Bowyer article and to move non-related information there. Indictment info can go on both his page and the RNC article.

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you linked/cited the author of the article does not make it clear that the "Restoring National Confidence" event (which is the reference between the vague "Turning Point" and the RNC" in the article) was hosted by TPACTION. Which is cleared up by this

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assumptions that they are more than that, it is confusing with the same branding in the name. But unless there is specific notation in RS that states both TPUSA & TPAction both were involved in something, it would be irresponsible and just plain

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I'm skeptical of this reasoning; when articles about the founding leader of an organization expressing extreme views also draw attention to the leader's organization, I think it seems ok for at least a single sentence mention in organization's

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mistaking reference for scope. When you are arguing that non-associated information regarding the topic of this article (TPUSA) merits inclusion because of a single "mention" in an reliable source just for reference, you are inherently going

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page not here and any information that pertains to comments made on Charlie Kirk's podcast belong on his personal article also not here. So I'll be removing the "Civil rights act/MLK" section and moving the content over to Kirk's page.

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Tyler Bowyer is a current and longstanding Turning Point USA executive, so any reliable sources mentioning both Bowyer and Turning Point can be considered in scope and relevant for this article. He may merit his own article, per

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As another example, many involved in January 6th who were indicted also don't meet WP:GNG; only the top leaders of the involved organizations or those who received significant sentences & coverage merited their own article.

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of the indictment and being COO of TPUSA. Charlie Kirk does merit his own article (WP:GNG), as he received has received significant coverage from participating in the 2020 RNC and for his controversial views on political

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There is certainly more than one source in existence that makes this connection too. Just came here after reading several articles about it. I may not get around to adding it but wanted to express skepticism publicly.

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procedure applies to this article. This article is related to post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this

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organization, especially considering that The Charlie Kirk Show is not part of Turning Point USA (as his page even states). I'd agree this section should be removed but the comments by Kirk be put on his own page.

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Just removed the first sentence from "1964 Civil Rights Act and Martin Luther King Jr." section. The removed content was only applicable to Charlie Kirk, no relevance to TPUSA (As well as being from an Esquire

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l agree with splitting Tyler Bowyer from the page and putting all notable activity he has done on his own page rather than Turning Point USA's, provided the actions performed are not representative of the

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I'm confused by your claim that there is supposedly no connection whatsoever between a group's founding leader and his group. Articles that discuss this event very frequently mention his role in TPUSA.

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Turning Point, the youth-oriented advocacy group founded by Charlie Kirk, the conservative activist radio show host with a massive following, has long been one of the sharpest thorns in the RNC’s side.

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MaximusEditor, If RS specifically name Turning Point USA about an incident in question, then it is never synthesis or original research to say exactly what they say. Perhaps you could ask the

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answer is no. Now if the article went into detail about how filming schedule's were altered for "X"'s filming, or if a show runner had to replace that actor because of the DUI, then it has

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and should be put in a more appropriate place, which arguably would be a dedicated page for Bowyer. Other editors have been free to provide input but have not. As of right now, while I am

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dedicated to the investigation/court case as that is the most accurate and efficient place to put it and as stated in the discussion above TPUSA has no involvement with the scandal.

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As for the idea that he holds "extreme views", I think that since it doesn't actually state anywhere in the RS that his views are extreme inferring that they are extreme would be

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It is clear from this discussion that ONUS is not met for inclusion. It needs to be removed/moved to maybe a better more suitable article which the other editors have outlined.

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Having said that, the only information that is associated directly with TPUSA would be his tenure as COO, that is it. The info about where he attended college, the info about

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Bowyer appears to be a prominent voice in conservative politics both at a state and national level, and could be described as notable enough to warrant his own page under

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It follows the emphasis of the NBC article, which has examples of Kirk's racial comments and also the Turning Point spokesperson acknowledging the conflict with the RNC:

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Can you show me where in the NBC article it states TPUSA is under pressure because of Kirks comments... I think that is what you are trying to interpret from the article.

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Your addition of: "Some Republicans criticized racial comments by Kirk amidst conflicts in early 2024 between Turning Point and Republican Party leaders." is breaching

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You're not being accurate, you're splitting hairs by insisting on an unverifiable separation between TPUSA and TPA. They have common leadership. They have the same

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sources have described Turning Point's part in the successful effort to oust McDaniel and its conflicts with some Republicans this year, which were in the sentence

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The information about Ronna McDaniel talks about her meeting with Trump and asking him if he was aware of his comments from Kirk's pod cast? -- No mention of TPUSA.

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I agree. RS say he is both a "Turning Point USA executive" and chief operating officer of Turning Point Action, so the information should be in both articles.

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which gives correct context. With that correct context, any information you want to include about Turning Point being in conflict with the RNC belongs on the

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articles imply TPUSA had some sort of implication with the indictment. Some of the cited reliable sources discuss his position as a State committeeman in the

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You are the only editor who has opposed in this split proposal section despite the current majority agreeing that the content on this page about Bowyer are

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The NBC article, which names Turning Point 18 times, cites disputes with various Republicans about Ronna McDaniel, an app, and Kirk's conduct and comments.

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TPUSA on its "staff" page from Dec 21 2020 lists Bowyer as its COO, so it is outright lying to say he was not an officer of TPUSA when he fake electored.

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TPUSA on its "Tyler Bowyer" page from Dec 7 2021 says he became COO of TPUSA and "In 2019, he ALSO took on the role of COO of Turning Point Action"

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So as of now I have removed the non-related Bowyer content off the page as well as removed the split proposal banner at the top of this article.

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USA page. This does not seem to be an appropriate practice for organization's pages on Knowledge, and I don't see any other pages that do this.

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If you are saying that reliable articles discuss Kirk's role, then you can put whatever is said about his role in the article. If you can find

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same as above sentiments. I would say the only relevant information about Bowyer is that he was COO of TPUSA, nothing else belongs. Seems like

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worked for TPUSA. No, this does not meet any aspect that policy states is necessary for that content to meet inclusion criteria. It is still

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2)That some republicans think that some funds that went to TPUSA could have been funds that could have been put towards the republican party.

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have requested that from you many times. If you can provide RS stating such, it would establish verifiability, but until then it is OR.

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Splitting Bowyer from the page can also help clear some obvious confusion with Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action. Even several

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his own personal belief and cannot be representative of TPUSA itself. These respective Knowledge pages should reflect that difference.

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This is just another article that states that Bowyer worked for TPUSA. I am asking you to explain how you justify an article saying-

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I'm not engaging much more with this topic because it's not a high priority for me, but my skepticism about this has not changed.

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Naturally there is overlap between these two orgs, and I'm definitely for keeping any notable occurrences of overlap on TPUSA

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several other editors also contributed to the content you are disputing, and some discussed the matter in the preceding

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in the above talk page discussion discussing why the most recent non-associated TPUSA information was put here anyways:

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and TPUSA. It does however highlight that the comments were made on Charlie Kirks PodCast, separate entity from TPUSA.

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has been achieved. Someone can close this discussion. Please notify me if any editors need assistance with changes.

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since April 25 that you and MaximusEditor are disputing, I agree that article contributions and statements in the

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That perfectly describes our exact use-case scenario. Off topic information that belongs in a different article.

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Legally TPUSA couldn't have oversight over TPAction, one is a 501(c)3 and TPAction is a 501(c)4. I can understand

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discussion above do not count for a "vote" in this section. Perhaps more editors will comment in this section.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-frustrated-conservative-group-turning-point-usa-rcna69564

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As you acknowledge, RS often do not make the distinction between the groups that you are making. Even in the

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another editor's source that named Turning Point Action instead of TPUSA to further address your OR concern.

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in the Knowledge article". Talking about how many times the word "TPUSA" is used is void of context period.

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even with his indictment, as he has not received significant coverage from independent, reliable sources

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adequate enough for inclusion when we can simply create an article where no "alternative" is necessary.

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The app is mentioned about Tyler Bowyer and in connection to Turning Point Action -- No mention of TPUSA

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I don't understand how 2 organizations which are not allowed to coordinate can share the same officers.

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Later in the article, the same Turning Point spokesperson also makes a statement defending Kirk.

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in these scandals seems personally motivated and has not been supported by any Knowledge policy.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/charlie-kirk-ronna-mcdaniel-rnc-trump-rcna139288

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Adding this NBC article just supports my argument for removal off this page even further.

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Do any of the secondary RS describing the conflict over McDaniel address that question?

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1)That Charlie Kirk made comments on his podcast about MLK jr and the Civil rights act.

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discusses how the indictment could affect TPUSA. There may be better sources citable.

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When I did a google search of "Charlie Kirk Civil Rights", The first article is a

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covering Kirk's remarks, and that Kirk's remarks are as you said "extreme views".

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The removed content was only applicable to Charlie Kirk, no relevance to TPUSA

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you cite favorably, the naming is mostly "Turning Point", for example: "

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Kirk's conduct and comments... From his pod cast -- no mention of TPUSA.

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