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And - to be clear on the point - being promotional may *easily* make them less authentic. The first few of these are not neutral third-party reviews but rather are, in all likelihood, quotations sought by the publisher from prominent people for the express purpose of selling more books. Indeed in
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I removed them both, as briefly described in the edit summaries. Together (and separately) they made the page look like something straight out of Amazon.com - preview pages, promotional videos - and as such appearing primarily to encourage or facilitate sales. The purpose of the article is not to
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In addition, either gallery images came from the book or they didn't. If they didn't then they aren't really pertinent to the book (and therefore article) but instead as illumination of the personal relationship between
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Knowledge (XXG) articles exist to inform, not to promote. The material I removed is a good example of material that falls on the wrong side of the line.
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Knowledge (XXG)'s general policy on image galleries. This one doesn't fit within it. In particular see, "Knowledge (XXG) is not an image repository. A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article...."
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I don't know much about image uploads but the licensing on those photos gives no indication that any permissions are forthcoming. You might check to make sure you did everything kosher style!
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