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1353:, thanks for trying to improve things, but your edits are not taking into account the reality that in cleaning up other Discworld articles, much of their content has been merged here. Do have a look at what links here. There are over 200 pages, with many of them being substantial redirects. Thus, we can't really just hack out whole sections that seem out of place without losing content: the reason they seem out of place or excessive is that often little effort was made to integrate the merged articles into a coherent whole. THAT, rather than wholesale removal of sections, is what is needed here.
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much akin to a lighthouse. This being the case, the step height depends greatly on pitch between spiral levels and step depth. Since these variables are presently unknown, I would humbly suggest that the mention of step height be removed as the present assertion is incorrect and no viable corrective method exists.
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Bernard Pearson/"The Cunning Artificer" sculpture of the UU somewhere in this entry ? IIRC it was sold in 7 or 8 parts, in a limited edition of 250 complete sets ... sold out many years ago, so an entry can't be considered an advert. There is a mention of the scuplture
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be presented is incorrect... but the starting point is the consensus article--the result of multiple mergers and AfDs--not your idea of a minimialist stubbification. By all means, feel free to tag things, entire sections if appropriate... but deleting multiple entire sections (which are themselves
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Eskarina Smith on the Witch page and not the Wizard's? It's explicitly stated every time she's mentioned that she's not a witch, but the only female wizard. It's noted in one of the books (The Discworld companion-encyclopedia thing, I believe) that the method of magic is more important than
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Well, something of this ought to be included, and I'll do so if the principal author is not so inclined to expand on his or her contributions. I pray nobody gets over-eager with the tabs, as I can find no suitable citation for this. I contend that it's clear, but that's 'Original
Research', isn't
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Whomsoever wrote the segment about the Tower of Art made an understandable but rather glaring error in calculation. Yes, 800 feet of height divided by 8,888 steps yields a step height of 1.08"...but that's a linear scale. The steps are described as a winding staircase on the interior of the tower,
757:- presumably the reverse of an exorcism. He's not acting as a bouncer, though - he inhabits one of the chairs in the front row. Since Lipwig's paper money is so popular, the "management didn't mind the loss of one seat, although the record for anyone staying in it was 10 seconds" (paraphrasal).
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How has this article gone a decade without a fourth delete nomination? Did it simply get forgotten whilst similar entries for other franchises were being reduced, culled or otherwise banished to Wikia/Fandom? Was it shielded by
Wikipedians' partiality for the source material? I'm a Pratch lover
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to say the least - as being just over one inch high. While I do agree with the general principle of your calculations, don't forget that the tower is inherently magical and thus the laws of physics do not generally apply, or if they do, are severely bent. Magical construction (since it is also
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You can trim some stuff down and incorporate references. It's what the encyclopedia needs more of, really. Few people are really interested in doing the hard work of taking an article and making it a good article, or a great article. It's far less work to just ignore policy, cite
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myself but there's no justification for this article's continued existence in its present form. The dearth of citations or a 'references in popular culture/other media' pretty much affirms its dubious notability. --
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on the opposite side of the river from the many old college buildings on
Trinity Street and King's Parade). The bridge forms a part of St. John's College. Sourcery places the UU bridge in a similar setting.
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In this article, there are two lists, one of the "Former
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1371:, a year later, and it appears you missed this part of the talk page. Feel free to actually improve sections or engage in thoughtful reorganizations of the material that reflect implementing past mergers.
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In one of the Susan Sto Helit books she tells someone it's "Eat a Better Pie." I could have sworn it was in Thief of Time, that she's telling Lobsang, but I just leafed through it and that's not the one.
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to ignore the manual of style guidelines on in-universe perspective. This is not correct as a local consensus should not be used to override our style guidelines. Also as a reminder per
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merge targets, in most cases) without any attempt at improvement is neither required by policy nor supported by consensus, including current consensus in light of the below comment.
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Well, the whole Discworld coverage is sort of a poor hodgepodge right now, and it could certainly benefit from someone who feels like helping clean it up. Are you that someone? :-)
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it? Perhaps a permissiveness will prevail here. Let it be hoped. Should citations be demanded, I dare say that a reference to "Sourcery", and to a map of Cambridge, would suffice.
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