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governments that both trace to the Central Rada and both claim to be the only legitimate government of the country. At some point, the Petliura government have tried to reclaim the country through becoming a Polish puppet and calling in a Polish invasion. The events of this invasion are already covered in the article on its own. It is of course titled without the inva.. or occupa.. terms because according to a Knowledge tradition it is only an invasion or an occupation if the aggressor is Russia or the USSR, but that is a separate issue. In addition to the Petlura-Kharkiv line of conflict, there were other lines of conflicts within Ukraine. The Petlura-Skoropadsky line, the feud between WUNR leadership and Petlura, the Makhno movement as well as many bands of thugs that lacked any clear affiliation. They all fought each other, whites, reds and arranged the alliances. Trying to present these complex as chaotic events as the "Ukrainian-Soviet War" or the "Ukrainian War of Independence" is a minority view that should be perhaps reflected in an attributed form in the article but not serve the titles. Each conflict needs an article on its own and all the review material should be merged into the existing

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was occupied in January, by the ROMANIANS! The Germans never took Chișinău, in none of the two World Wars, as in July 1941 it was liberated by an all-Romanian force. Also it's not "Kishinev", and it never was. It's a Romanian city, please call it accordingly. And don't bring the argument "Oh, it was part of the Russian Empire at that time!" because Moldavia was declared in December 1917, with ROMANIAN as the official language! Can you please just stop?...Look, I don't know what a miss-informed delusional Germanophile/Russophile/Anti-Romanian racist you are, but what you're doing is WRONG and you must STOP!

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there was a Polish invasion into Dnieper Ukraine (has an article). Additionally, there was a Ukrainian theater of the Russian Civil war and on top of that a lot of intra-Ukrainian infighting between different warring factions of which pro-Bolshevik faction was only one of many. Add the Anarchists, "neo-Cossacks", etc. and you get a full picture. Calling these events a "Ukrainian War of Independence" is an ORish synthesis. Trying to present this as a "Ukrainian-Soviet" war is also a big stretch, and besides, a minority view. --

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were different. Other than that usually people name a war a War for Independence if the independence was achieved. In other cases it can be either an uprising or a civil war. At least it could be called a War for Independence if the majority of population was for the independence. I think, that Ukrainian Civil War would be the appropriate name. I think there is a huge difference between a civil war and a war for independence.

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White Russian forces; Odessa to France (8) and leave. There were the Poles (9) they would fight the West Ukrainians (10) and then fight the Bolsheviks (7). There were the Central Rada it would ally with Germans (1) and ... they would fight them, ally with them, Eastasia, Eurasia, Oceania... If your head has not exploded yet, then I will be very surprised... --

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I had a look at the survey histories with title in mind. Magocsi 2010 has a major part “World War I and the Struggle for Independence,” and its concluding sub-chapter section “The Ukrainian Revolution: Success or failure.” Subtelny 2009 has a chapter “The Ukrainian Revolution.” Kohut and Nebesio 2005

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as its name is neutral and the subject covered is quite broad. I think the necessity of such merging is obvious as in reality there was a patchwork of conflict between beligerents with a very complicated political motivation, so you cannot name it the Soviet-Ukraine war or the War for Independence, I

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In my opinion, the current title is valid, and the arguments provided by Riurik are convincing. The terms "war of independence" and "struggle for independence" have been used by Britannica, Encyclopedia of Ukraine, and among historians. On the other hand, the title "Ukrainian Civil War" is too narrow

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Calling them a racist is clearly uncalled for, and calling it 'liberated' by Axis powers makes it seem as if you may be a bit biased for... a few reasons. I'd also like to note the German army and air force were involved in taking the city, so it wasn't 'all-Romanian' by any means. However, Chișinău

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At first, I genuinely thought this was a rookie mistake by some miss-informed beginner, not something persistently pursued by an actual editor! May I ask, who the heck ever told you that it was the GERMANS who entered Chișinău? The Germans didn't even got around the area until February, but the city

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With all due respect Encyclopedia of Ukraine is not a good reference for titles, the view it takes is hardly mainstream nor international rather centred on Ukrainian nationalism, after all its founder was a former Nazi collaborator. That's beyond the point, I suggest :Ukrainian Civil War, also known

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I want to start this discussion again. I don't think that the current title is appropriate. It doesn't reflect all the processes that took place. As the Independence of Ukraine was not the only issue on the territory of modern Ukraine during that period. The beligerents were numerous and their ideas

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uses it as a set phrase: "... Thus, in the wake of the first Russian revolution, the Ukrainian revolutionary era began as well. ¶The Ukrainian revolution began in March 1917, when the first political changes took place in the Russian Empire. It was to last until October 1920, when the international

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I find the topics of all three articles to be too similar, their contents overlap too much. The scope is different but I don't think it necessiates existance of all 3 articles. For example I fail to see Ukraine-Soviet war as a really separate conflict from all the other conflicts which took place in

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Oof, maybe it's best just to list them all in one column. The arrangement in 7 subdivisions of 3 boxes doesn't express the facts, and having Poland and Germany in there twice with different dates just looks like a mistake. The way it's laid out strongly implies that, e.g., Germany, Poland, France

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is improper as at times, hostilities went on without the participation of Russian forces and in Ukraine, which was by then de facto and de jure independent. Moreover, even in relation to those who participated, it is not easy to figure out which were Russian or not. It happened in Ukraine, thus the

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Well I disagree, first of all why do we privatise the terms "Ukrainian" to the UNR? Ukrainians fought in the Red Army, many fought for Wrangel and Denikin (read Bulgakov's White Guard for that fact). There were the Galician riflemen who after Petliura surrendered Galicia to the Poles instead sided

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I am willing to work on it, over some time, moving the appropriate material from here to Sov–Ukr War or elsewhere. I would propose merging Ukr after the RR into this one, consider renaming this one, and I think the end result might jive with your original intent, but stay synced up other-language

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Well there were Germans (1) they were initially against the Russians (later White Russians 2). Later they would fight the Bolsheviks (3) and ally with Central Rada (4) and Skoropadsky (5) then fight Makhno (6) and Bolsheviks (7). After the end of their participation they would hand over Crimea to

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I disagree, the Ukrainian-Soviet war title is very much open to interpretation. In fact there were two phases of direct confrontation between the UNR and the U(S)NR in 1918, then again after the Germans left, and then as part of the Polish Soviet Conflict. Also Ukrainian-Soviet War could mean the

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articles, there needs to be establishment of usage for this term. Also the term suggests 1) the primary theme of the war was one side's struggle for an independent Ukraine (POV) and 2) that the latter were successful (they weren't). And 3) it has to be an established historical term in the lingua

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I think the UA-Soviet war (and its article) is a misnomer although supported by a fringe minority. The problem with this concept that it tries to present this conflict as if there was a "Ukrainian" side vs the Soviet side, while in fact the Ukraine itself was divided between the Kharkiv and Kiev

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article since the term that comprises its title "Ukrainian War of Independence" is not an established name for these events, but rather a synthesis. There were several wars and each of them deserve an article on its own: the war between Western UA and PL (already has an article), aside from that

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I pretty much agree, and I think the main problem with this article is its title. If it is a bit short on the history of the Bolshevik side that merely reflects the emphasis of English-language literature—it's a good collection of facts, and not like any stereotyped bajky about the Ukrainian

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Ukrainian War of Independence is a right term. To argue that it isn't because Russian Empire fell is absurd, we could then portay Polish struggle was only part of Russian Civil War. Also a large part of Ukraine came from Galicia region which wasn't part of Russian Empire but Austro-Hungarian

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Though the idea that Ukraine experienced civil strife or war in this period is easy to verify, "Ukrainian Civil War" isn't. It has the benefit of naturally following the terminology of Russian Civil War, but beyond that I can't find evidence that English historians have embraced the concept

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Yes, I agree, three articles for the same topic is inappropriate. They should be merged somehow. I am not sure about the naming though, either UCW or UWI sounds fine to me, but "Ukrainian-Soviet War" is too specific (it is only a part of a larger struggle), while "Ukraine after the Russian

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to deal with all issues involved. Even if we are to have a lot of overlap (which is alright really if one thinks about it). I would rather have a few articles repeat themselves than have the information scattered over ten dozen articles, the trick is to find a balance. E.g.

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Again that statement is wrong, not between Ukrainians, but between Ukrainian governments and Bolsheviks, Ukrainians made up sizeble portion of the Red Army and Red Guards, much like the non-Ukrainians made up noticeble portions in the armies of Skoropadsky (for example).

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I think the Ukrainian Civil War is a good title, although there seems to be absense of consensus that the title is in fact disputed. The tag has been here since June and I haven't seen many people actually willing to rename the article. What's the urgency now?

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to only a couple of governments, which themselves opposed each other and had scarce following. If anyone the most support that Ukrainians gave to was Nestor Makhno, does Ukrainian-Soviet War now mean the two times he and the Bolsheviks went into confrontation?

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My question is whether the article is written anew or is the compilation of the existing enwiki articles. If so, which ones. It is not prohibited to use other articles to write new ones but this should be acknowledged for GFDL reasons if not for any others.

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Regarding the title, I don't have a problem with associating these events with the "Russian Civil War", since the name refers to the defunct Russian Empire, not to ethnic Russia. However, a more specific and descriptive title would be better.

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It's a new topic that is not specifically covered by any other article, however several parts of it are covered by separate articles which are listed. This article also contains information that is not covered by any existing articles at all.

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covers a more specific topic). I would like to see these carefully merged into one more-comprehensive article with a future as a featured article. Or perhaps reorganized into two: a historical survey, plus a more detailed military history.

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As I said, the article is written almost entirely anew. There is certain information that is taken directly out of other Wiki articles, and these articles are referenced. There is also information that appears nowhere else on wikipedia.

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was the official and local name of the city, and should be used during the relevant period. Also, it's actually not a Romanian city- you'll note its currently the capital of a nation known as Moldova, which is not part of Romania.

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merging anything; you have also not done any cleanup such as removing "part of the Ukrainian War of Independence" from multiple infoboxes using it (such a removal, of course, should not be done until a consensus is reached here).

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If one article is too specific, and the other is too wide, then please explain why do you want it to be merged? The scope of the articles is different, and that's fine. Why do you think that everything should be in one article?

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This spans the territory of Ukraine in both the former Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires, and is distinct from the narrower military conflict which only began after the October Revolution, the Ukrainian–Soviet War 1917–1921

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The current title seems to reflect Ukrainian Nationalism more than reality. The article doesn't describe a war of independence, or indeed the achievement of independence. "Ukrainian Revolution" would be a better

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Thanks for the reflections Michael. Judging by what you've said, if they're not appropriate for merging, then it seems like substantial edits need to be made to these articles to distinguish between the two

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I strongly prefer a title describing what the article is about to just a range of dates, which has little meaning to readers who are not already familiar with Ukrainian history. I don't think anyone uses

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Kuban, it's not that Ukrainian Civil War might be ambiguous, it's that wikipedia isn't the place to enshrine terminology before historians do. There's a similar problem with the rather ridiculously named

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I am not suggesting choosing any titles here. The title of this article is a separate discussion, above. I am suggesting merging the very good but incomplete content of both this article and

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would no doubt have strong overlap but IMO that's alright. Its good you brought this up, and feel free to move UaRr to HoU(1917-1921) whenever you feel ready... that needs no time wasting. --

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Does anyone still dispute the accuracy of the title? Speak up within two days, or I'll remove the dispute tag. If there is an objection, then I'll post a formal proposal for renaming.

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I've added notices to the relevant articles, to get some discussion going about this initial proposition. Please don't vote yet. (Naming is a separate issue, being discussed above.)

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Object to merger of Ukrainian-Soviet War (I am not that familiar with the two other articles). UWoI was composed of several smaller wars, and Ukrainian-Soviet is as notable as

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We have three articles with a very similar scope and complimentary content. I think it would be a great improvement to merge them into one article suitable to improve towards

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as the Ukrainian War of Independence, refers to the Ukrainian theatre of the Russian Civil War, which took place on the territory of modern Ukraine, from 1917 to 1920. etc. --

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Searching Google books gives some insight into what are accepted titles or set phrases. Also pay attention to where they are capitalized as the proper name of a conflict, as

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This conflict was multi-faceted, and the current title describes only the conflict between Ukrainian nationalists and Russian and Soviet imperialists. We need a better one.

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This title suggests a formality and establishment of title that really looks like it's the product of the author creator. Please will someone involved in these article read

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nationalists vs the Russians. I really think these three articles have the material to make two stronger articles. My only other reservation is the lack of citations.

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Kingdom. Do you understand how Rus does not automatically means Russia? At the time of the so called Russian Civil War, Ukraine was a recognized indepndent state by the

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I think that the Ukrainian War of Independence is a good title. First there was proclaimation of independence and then a series of battles took place to overthrow the

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in the past, but I've done more reading and rethought it over the past months. It is used either as a set phrase or as a proper name by many mainstream historians.

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Well with all do respect what other conflict would you describe as the Ukrainian Civil War? Also I have to disagree with Hillock about its non-inclusiveness into the

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on page 441 where Subtelny writes: "...during the war for independence" refering to the period specifically covered by this article between 1917-1921.

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Well technically it is correct when focusing on a particular area of a larger superconflict. World War II we have Eastern Front, Pacific Theatre. The

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has an entry “Ukrainian Revolution (1917–21).” I notice many of the other-language wikipedias call the corresponding article “Ukrainian Revolution.”

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Sorry, but I think "Ukrainian theatre of the Russian Civil War" would definitely not look good since it suggests that Ukraine is part of Russia :)

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is, if long-winded, descriptive and not in violation of guidelines. Is "Ukrainian Civil War" more widespread than "Ukrainian War of Independence"?

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A civil war is a war in which parties within the same culture, society or nationality fight against each other for the control of political power.

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I'm more concerned about using any title which suggests widespread formal use. Description wise, Civil War is appropriate, as it would be to the

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if the article was title something alone the lines of "Ukrainian Revolution (1917–1921)," is that something you could see yourself supporting?

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None of the links cited above use this capitalized as a proper noun, but the online Encyclopedia of Ukraine does have an article entitled

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Woah!!! "...the Ukrainian SSR and the Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic weren't "Ukrainian"..." Those are your words. How were they

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of Ukrainians in it, was neither the Red or the White, or the samostiyniki... the one group that truely holds the title of being a

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This is a continuation of the discussion started on the wp:dyk page under November 1, asked by Carabinieri regarding the usage of

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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fought on all three sides, in the Russian White Army, in the Bolshevik Red Army, were allied to the Poles, in addition to

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is a general history article. This one is a military-history counterpart to it. What if we were to rename this article

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would get around that. And again, there is the suggestion of the Castilian wikipedia as a possible alternative. Regards,

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I see that this article represents what Ukrainian historiography refers to as the Struggle for Independence 1917–1920 (

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to describe the event. German, Polish, and Russian forces payed important, if nor the dominant role in the conflict. --

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is a neutral descriptive title for the time being. Altough not part of this discusstion, it could later be renamed to

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Just discussion for now. I've written my thoughts about this title earlier on this page. Any serious objections?

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This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. --

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above title is appropriate. In addition, this title is widely used in English-language historiographic literature

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Hey, Cossack! Do you understand the difference between Rus and Russia? Russia is a state the was made out of the

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here is incorrect as there were five or six combatants fighting each other, but the theatre is IMO suitable. --

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Okay, it looks like we're not going to move forwards without addressing the title. Here's a bold proposal.

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among others. However, use of "Ukrainian Civil War" likewise suggests a widespread formality of usage.

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with Denikin. However what is true, and would go against the title, was that the one group that had

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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between

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Care to explain? The historic definition of the super conflict that this war was part of is the

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sometimes appears as a set phrase in lowercase, but very rarely as a proper name. Lower-cased

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Against above comments, I've just discovered for myself that there's already an article called

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How is it a war of independence if it created at best 1 year of German supported independence?

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as that's what "after the Russian Revolution" actually represents and would be in analogy to

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and that really should deal with that title. BTW in general I support the idea of creating a

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Ukraine at the same time. It can hardly be described even as a separate "front" of the war.

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Yeah, or something 'Ukrainian during the russian revolution'...but that has scope issues—

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has a chapter entitled “The Ukrainian Revolution,” and uses the word as a proper name.

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It looks like this is the best title at this time, given the list at the current DAB.

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I agree that the best option of the three proposed is to merge these two articles into

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has become the first soviet state in history. I do not see nothing ill in the name of

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of the term "Ukrainian" to the UNR is not due to the fact on which side fought the

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i guess if we do settle on that though the dead merge discussion will be relevant—

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How would you feel about just re-booting this merge proposal along those lines? —

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if you refuse to speak it? It is not privatisation. It was the real War that the

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which is another story. The reason for all of that confusion that took place in

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Revolution" is too broad - it doesn't specify existence of a conflict at all.

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So the problem looks worse (to me at least) than it originally did. Regards,

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After a year of having a duplicate POV fork, I've redirected the article to

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making the Makhnovschina and the short-lived UNR states. By definition of a

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I'll note, the Castilian wiki has much of the same content under the title

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also uses it prominently, although I don't have the reference at hand.

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period. In doubt dig into any Military History book on the subject. --

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Is this a genuinely new article or is it based on the existing ones? --

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should be renamed as "Aftermath of the Russian Revolution in Ukraine".

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there are tonnes of Ukrainian Revolutions this needs further dabing—

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situation in eastern Europe finally stabilized. ..." From memory,

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You're proposing we merge them into this article with this title?

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Thanks, I was just unable to find the term on the first glance.--

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because they address separate topics. I do think though that

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To be fair either that or the Ukrainian Civil War will do.--

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This is a good topic. Let's get it to the DYK nomination.--

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I suspect this term may have to be dusted off and used for

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suggest anything? Yet that title is universally accepted.--

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Why is this article written with Kiev instead of Kyiv?

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in Petrograd (before the existence of Soviet Russia).

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Yes, I think this sounds acceptable. Thanks again!--

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