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981:"Those vessels closer to the kidney drain into renal collecting vessels; into the lateral aortic nodes near the gonadal vessels" I don't understand. Is the part after the semi colon supposed to explain/elaborate the stuff before the semi colon?
1079:"One reason is that the natural history of the majority of vesicoureteral reflux is to improve without any intervention at all" it'd be less confusing to say, "One reason is because vesicoureteral reflux more often than not resolves itself"
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