Talk:Voluntaryism - Knowledge

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assume the overhaul was due to the page now being under the 'scope' of WikiProject Libertarianism and WikiProject Philosophy and spearheaded by these groups. It seems the entire focus of the article has shifted from 'what is Voluntaryism' to 'what is the historical context for Voluntaryism' and I don't understand the reason for such emphasis. Certainly the historical context is an important aspect, but would it not be better to more thoroughly describe what Voluntaryism actually is, not merely where it came from and what it is 'in relation to'. I'm sorry I can't be more explicit, this is just a general impression, but if I had to try to explain Voluntaryism to someone I believe I would no longer point them to this article. In fact, the intro is in my mind a bit of a travesty, its so thin. It consists of a couple sentences that define voluntaryism in relation to other terms like anarcho-capitalism and then a few quotes on what "Rothbard maintained". Why is what Rothbard maintained somehow central to defining voluntaryism? Further, what is the basis for making the claim that "many voluntaryists base their thinking on" Rothbard's work. I for one have never read Rothbard as I'm sure many havn't. Its as if the reader were to assume that people who subscribe to voluntaryism base their thinking on the work of some founding principal in the way that Karl Marx was the progenitor of Marxism and that those who would call themselves Marxists are those that base their thinking on his ideas. It is just not so in this case, I hope you see my point. Why not reference Rothbard or others somewhere in the main body of the article instead. If you look back at some of the intros from different points in 2011, I think you'll see a much better job of describing what voluntaryism actually is, on its own terms. I understand some folks who have made the recent edits would probably object to 'going backward' to older revisions, so I'm not suggesting it needs to be a facsimile of a former version, but I would like to see the intro move closer to an incarnation of what those previous versions embodied, and perhaps all of the historical context and reference to people throughout history who may or may not have practiced or wrote something about voluntaryism be one subsection with equal attention being paid to other subsections.

1562:(3) By Cambrasa's reasoning, a Hindu should not write an Knowledge article on any aspect of Hinduism or provide a possible rationale for any Hindu belief because doing so creates a conflict of interest. Or an article casting the theory of special relativity in a positive light should immediately be sent to the sandbox and subjected to a major "rework" (or at least be tagged as suspiciously non-neutral) if it is written by Einstein, a leading proponent of theory. Surely such a requirement is much too stringent. Proponents should be allowed to write articles about the views they hold as long as they provide reliable sources and give explicit reasons for their assertions. Watner does both. I'm confident that he would be willing to add additional peer-reviewed sources, including a few that defend an anti-voluntaryist position, were he asked to do so. But again, that only requires minor editing, not wholesale rewriting. And as I noted earlier, Watner not only gives explicit reasons for his conclusions, he also responds to possible objections. Not every conceivable objection need be met for an article to pass Knowledge muster. 2449:

not purchasing land there? "If they let me be, they are not a government." This is based on what other than your assertion? "You do not seem to understand what a stateless voluntary society would actually be like, but you keep making changes based on your false assumptions/conclusions about it." You mean insisting that we don't list assertions on this site without reliable sources? Our standards for listing opinions as fact go beyond the assertions of one person. It's your responsibility to demonstrate that what you're saying is true. How does the belief that all forms of human association should be voluntary preclude support for government? Is there a definition of government that says it's necessarily coercive? Can you demonstrate that its definition means it will necessarily be coercive with something other than assertions about how people would have the opportunity to agree to its laws (and nothing about how governments will definitionally subject people to its laws that they do not agree to)?

2483:"What makes a government a government is that it has a set geographical territory that it enforces its laws on. If it does not enforce it's laws on people that it did not enter into contracts with, it is not a government because it is not exerting control over a specific geographic area." If it doesn't enforce it's laws on people that didn't enter into a contract with it? How is that necessarily a part of the "it has a set geographical territory that it enforces its laws on." This tells us nothing about what these laws are and who they're being enforced on. Is it impossible for people to decide and be able to NOT be subject to this state's laws? How so? You're just projecting what you think governments do onto the definition without explaining your position, unless you can find me reliable sources which claim that this is how governments definitionally work. We don't cite people's estimate of certain things on this site as definitional facts about them just because they are opinions held. 2500:"this is not a discussion forum and I do not have the time to keep changing this wiki." It's not a discussion forum, yes. So what? Did I violate some rule by taking the time to object to an opinion of yours which I think is wrong concerning the contents of this page with reasoned arguments, challenging your argument that your assertions be treated as fact on this page without reliable sources? The burden is on you for inclusion. Voluntaryism is "is a philosophy according to which all forms of human association should be voluntary" because we have a reliable source for that. Do you have a reliable source that says that this logically necessarily entails support of anarchism and that it cannot include support of government for definitional issues? All your assertions preclude the possibility of arrangements which I've argued can possibly include no violation of anyone's decisions. 2260:

must necessarily be coercive. If minarchists get together and form a minarchist society where everyone agrees to a set of rules governing how the society will work, and this contract includes the formation of a government, then no one's rights are being violated because they've all voluntarily agreed to this form of social organization. By the same token, if anarchists get together and form a stateless society where everyone agrees to a set of rules governing how the society will work (which I guess would be an agreement not to have one set of rules enforced for all codes of conduct and only some, or perhaps some sort of "anything goes" contract), then no one's rights are being violated because they've all voluntarily agreed to this form of social organization.

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Consider a utilitarian who thinks that the greatest good would be reached if all interactions were voluntary. Ayn Rand was not a voluntaryist and by definition voluntarism does not support states. As mentioned voluntaryists require all interactions to be voluntary. If a government does not impose taxes, impose laws, or exert any other kind of control, thus allowing all interactions to be voluntary, then it is not a government. If it is a minarchist government, it is not voluntary because people have no choice on whether or not to follow the governments laws, no matter how few there are. Thus the information in the opening was deleted unnecessarily. I will edit it back and make a few changes. Let me know what you think.

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libertarianism (the philosophy) because something that happened at the Libertarian National Convention in 1974? What...? There are millions upon millions of people in the world who consider themselves libertarians (of many, many different types) who could not possibly care less what the Libertarian Party does, says, or thinks. The goings-on of the Libertarian Party in the United States has no bearing whatsoever on what schools of thought are or aren't included under the libertarian (philosophy) umbrella, and I'm a bit astonished someone would even make such a claim. Anarcho-capitalism and voluntaryism are schools of libertarianism because of certain shared beliefs and principles. It's really that simple.

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social mobility is low in America when compared to other rich nations, especially among the bottom fifth of society, and that meritocratic competition only takes places within elites rather than 'among the full range of talents that the country has to offer'".) Its relevance to the immediately foregoing material isn't made clear. Is it supposed to be another objection? A reference to a source offering an alternative to the voluntaryist viewpoint on the plight of the poor? Hence I have deleted both it and the accompanying reference to the study from The Economist. This material should be reincorporated into the article only if its rationale for being there is made perfectly clear.

2851:"Many voluntaryists base their thinking on the ideas of voluntaryist philosophers Murray Rothbard and Robert LeFevre. Rothbard maintained, first, that every government "presumes to establish a compulsory monopoly of defense (police and courts) service over some geographical area. So that individual property owners who prefer to subscribe to another defense company within that area are not allowed to do so"; and, second, that every government obtains its income by extortion, euphemistically labeled "taxation". "All governments, however limited they may be otherwise, commit at least these two fundamental crimes against liberty and property."" 2270:

in a different territory as long as they don't violate anyone's right to voluntary action. It also means a self-declared anarchist might attempt to use force to eliminate all power structures in various societies they think are bad, although I guess they wouldn't really be an anarchist, but a fascist operating under the pretense of anarchism. In other words, all anarchists are definitely voluntaryists, but I don't see how all voluntaryists are necessarily anarchists. If a minarchist allows anyone who doesn't sign onto their society's constitution to not be subject to their laws, then I don't see how they're not a voluntaryist.

1536:(2) Concerning the charge that the article is written in "a horribly biased tone," to the extent that there may be some bias in the article it can be removed through minor rephrasing. Cambrasa even suggests how this might be done for some cases by prefacing categorical assertions with the clause, "According to voluntaryists..." Or "Do the poor have a right to alms?" might be replaced with "Voluntaryists question whether the poor even have a right to alms." In other cases, some of the rhetoric might be toned down a bit. However, these slight changes do not require the extreme approach Cambrasa proposes. 3047:. I know we touch on the issue in the history sections but the article is heavy on pushing the likes of Rothbard, who are notoriously divisive and fringe-y pseudo-heroes whose alleged influence gets far too much of an airing here on Knowledge. Outside of the Libertarian debate, and outside the US, these people are very esoteric, very niche characters and their influence is not as apparent as US-based Libertarians seem to believe. Mainstream groups such as the UK Conservative Party are as much theoretical supporters of non-intervention and "small government" as people such as Rothbard. - 2534:"I do not believe you are fairly representing what most voluntarists believe." I didn't say I was. I'm sure they disagree on many counts. I think I'm fairly representing what it necessarily means to be a voluntaryist. I'm just saying what I think a voluntaryist necessarily is because of its definition from a reliable source, and what we know about the definition of government from a reliable source. I haven't argued that it's impossible to be a voluntaryist and and anarchist or that it's impossible that a government be coercive because I see no reason for either of these to be true. 2803:). I like to describe myself as a Voluntaryist activist, enthusiast, and entrepreneur in Omaha, Nebraska. Although I have no extensive school education in philosophy or politics, I have been deeply involved in many discussions and projects to create awareness and dialogue throughout my life. I have been an active and donating member of FreeDomainRadio.com for three years and have connections with many activists in what I perceive to be the Voluntaryism and Libertarian movements. I run Flat River Freedom Media at www.facebook.com/flatrivermedia and www.youtube.com/flatrivermedia. 2827:

which I whole-heartedly agree. For example, some hold Russia's lack of civil liberties as a viable "political philosophy". However, if you have any sense of ethics or empathy, clearly it should not be considered wise to demonstrate that gay activists being horse-whipped in public is a wise action - this would be "bad philosophy". To say that "Russian political philosophy" or "libertarian philosophy" or "geocentristic philosophy" has any merit as a description, I think is disingenuous and we should hold ourselves to a higher starndard.

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out punishments and rewards to people who help and harm me using similar strategies, such as the cold shoulder, the tongue lashing, and even what amounts to public humiliation only because my accurate (and loud) description of their behavior embarrasses them. These things are not coercive. If publication of misdeeds and a resulting widespread refusal of service were the standard punishment for behaving badly, I don't think any Libertarians would complain, and I think we'd all be a lot better off.

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used against them, therefore, it isn't voluntary". It depends on whether or not they agreed to be a part of the government. Yes, obviously every or 99.9999% of governments throughout history weren't voluntary. For example, I'm officially an American citizen, but I never signed the Constitution. Does this mean it's impossible that a group of people could all sign a constitution and not exert control over anyone else who didn't sign the contract? I don't see how that's necessarily the case.

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libertarians support monopolistic control over property? If you own a piece of land and have the power and authority to do whatever you want with it and set whatever rules you want to govern its use, without forcible interference from anyone else, then you are basically a state unto yourself. There is nothing "involuntary" about the situation, except inasmuch as others don't have freedom to "voluntarily" do as they wish with your property; they must obtain your voluntary consent first.

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presenting it) because the thief isn't going to voluntarily cede my property back to me and I'm now *exerting control* on him. You may object that I didn't voluntarily allow him to have my property and, therefore, I'm still a voluntaryist. This therefore means that exerting control is consistent with voluntaryism as long as it is a response to an initiation of force. Therefore, the relevant issue is determining what is an initiation of force.

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encompasses the entire "voluntary sector," but "voluntary" in the "voluntarism" context means not mandated by law (as government is). Many voluntary sector (nonprofit) agencies have a volunteer board because that is a legal requirement, but may not utilize volunteers in direct service in any way. There are subjects within "voluntarism" that have nothing to do with volunteers: things like UBIT legislation; proposal writing; compensation law.

93: 66: 103: 1674:"Watner's article" anymore. In other words, neither you nor Watner get to decide what happens to it. From now on the community decides. Of course both of you are welcome to join in, but patent policy breaches can and will be dealth with by anyone who chooses to do so. Anything that is controversial and unsourced may be deleted without warning and does not require previous consultation with the original authour. 1495:(1) I do not see how Watner's article violates point 7 of Knowledge's policy for self-published sources. Plenty of reliable, peer-reviewed sources are cited at the end of the article. Nor do I see how the articles arrives at its conclusions through "synthesis." On the contrary, Watner argues for his conclusions from initial premises that he makes explicit. He even addresses possible objections to voluntaryism. 1142:

site). My understanding is that putting a cleanup tag on a page "puts it on the radar" as a page that people who are interested in cleaning up Knowledge can (and should) work on. So my main motivation for adding the tag was to get the page noticed in order to hopefully bring some more experienced Knowledge editors into the mix. I'm nowhere near experienced enough to tackle an article of this size. :-)

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decisions made, including that 20% of your income gets spend by these persons, etc, and if you want to leave, that's fine, as long as some other society will allow you to traverse their land", then that's a voluntary arrangement which is fundamentally no different that any voluntary business transaction, whether it occurs in the average society or anarcho-capitalist land. Do you think this makes sense?

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they be supported? If they are voluntary emotional responses, then yes. Henry Hazlitt and Stefan Molyneux both argue this point about Voluntaryism often - it should be recognized. As a logical structure, this phrase is sound, but as much as we may want the knowledge, even stored with Knowledge, to be purely logical, emotions will largely play a role until humans can tame them at some future point.

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experience defining and discussing "Voluntaryism", has some serious biases and deficiencies - if I was given the authority I would want to completely reconstruct the article into something that I will describe in the rest of the post. To that end, I'll quote how I think the article could receive more merit and legitimacy, and then critique how it currently reads.

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weeks or months. Psdillard has certainly expressed no desire to make the needed changes - why should he? The copied-and-pasted version serves his purposes, and creating an encyclopedia does not seem to be one of them. In the mean time thousands of people are going to read it, and by the time it's finally fixed the damage will arleady be done.--

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article. A disruptive person subsequently reverted it to the old article, which I reverted back to the new article. When I did so, I made the mistake of first deleting the old article entirely in the hopes that the new article would then come up automatically. I have since learned that one should merge edits into the article to be edited.

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administrative bureaucracy who control the use of force in a state at a given time as well as the means by which state policy is enforced, as well as the mechanism for determining the policy of the state. right? This tells us nothing about what the citizens of the state have to say about it. Your assertion is baseless.

836:? Or perhaps you have something better in mind? I don't believe I've ever seen a category with a parenthetical "tendency" or "practice", but then I don't know, in full, what you are planning for the new entry, so perhaps it will work. The only other concern I would have is: do we need an entry for both a concept ( 2466:"Also, all anarchists are not voluntarism, in fact most are not." I'm curious why you think this is. It's my understanding that all anarchists profess a belief in not acting towards someone where the other person isn't afforded the opportunity to make voluntary decisions, but I might be wrong. Could you elaborate? 2845:

complicated. Philosophy, by the Molyneux definition of which I am a strong proponent, *should not* be accompanied by a label other than "good" or "bad". Let's drop the labels or move them to their own section so each "philosophy" may have its own take on Voluntaryism, if that is what the label proponents wish.

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sentences stating you do not think it requires statelessness. The fact is every voluntarist I know and the vast majority voluntarist communities online believe a stateless society is the only one that is in line with voluntarist thinking. Again, do what you want, I do not have the time for an edit war.

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The lead sentence is missing a source which supports the definition - the whole article is heavily lacking in citations, but this should be resolved quickly, if possible, with a good quality source. Moreover, the definition is quite basic and non-distinct: plenty of political philosophies could argue

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I'm not sure the planet on which you came to the conclusion voluntaryism and anarcho-capitalism aren't schools of libertarianism. Of course they are. Anyone who has extensive first-hand familiarity with the space would agree. I've been in these circles for a decade. Libertarianism is a large umbrella

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It's the first I've visited the Voluntaryism page in maybe a good year, and I have to say I'm quite disappointed that the page has undergone such a radical overhaul. I barely recognize the content of this page as it is today versus what it was and it doesnt appear in my mind to be an improvement. I

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Cambrasa, you're being a real pain. Rather than cooperate, you snipe away with snide comments and criticisms that I've already addressed. There's no "rush" to publish Watner's article. It's merely that your reasons for gutting it don't warrant doing so. At most, they warrant the sort of minor edits I

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would be sufficient, since that's where many of the objections are considered and addressed by actual voluntaryists. Even if it is not a purely non-partisan scholarly journal, nevertheless it is a significant source for understanding the nature of the view under discussion. Some of the articles there

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cite sources where they are needed most, namely where he has written contentious assertions. Whole sections, especially in the beginning, are completely lacking in sources. If Watner can show us some stuff he has published in peer-reviewed sources, then great, but before he has done that: back to the

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I strongly disagree with Cambrasa that there are problems with Watner's article which justify "reverting it to the old version with immediate effect." Nor do I think Watner's article should be taken to the sandbox and subjected to a major "rework before being reinserted." The problems Cambrasa raises

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which is exactly the present case. Then you say you want this article to be reverted back, to what I do not know. I find reverting this article to be innapropiate because Voluntaryism in the political sense as shown by the referencing on this article has a relative long history. I think we can remake

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If you are a Libertarian (or "libertarian"), then you should object to libertarians being mentioned on this page AT ALL. "Voluntaryism" is NOT libertarianism. As the page itself says, voluntaryism is closely related to anarchism. However, libertarianism is NOT anarchism. They are completely different

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This article is important to me - it's the top Google result any time someone types in "Voluntaryism" and so, I assume, the most widely-read introduction to the topic. I'm also a regular Knowledge donor, so I have some small expense of a stake in Knowledge's performance. However, this article, in my

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Therefore, a voluntaryist is someone who wants to allow people to voluntarily determine how they will live, which necessarily includes allowing them to decide which societies they will join/form. This means that someone could be a minarchist who wants to allow anarchists to go form their own society

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And as far as I'm concerned, neither minarchy nor anarchy are inherent initiations of force because we're not taking into account the will of the people involved in any society. Yes, governments are always initiating force, but I don't see how the dictionary definition of government means government

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Second, you seem to think that support for a society of only voluntary interactions means you have to therefore not "exert any kind of control". Consider this: Suppose in a stateless society some guy steals from me and I use force to get my property back. I am now no longer a voluntaryist (as you're

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First, you say "If it is a minarchist government, it is not voluntary because people have no choice on whether or not to follow the governments laws". This isn't true--people can choose not to follow the law if they don't want to follow the law. I assume you mean "They can't do X without force being

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2) "As government is defined as a monopoly on the initiation of aggressive force and coercion in a given geographical region" No, it isn't defined that way. Furthermore, whether or not this is (substantively) true is highly controversial. Some (like Ayn Rand) support states without taxation. Is that

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for voluntaryism, then as I said before he can easily amend his statements to the form: "Voluntaryists typically argue that..." Do you really think inserting these qualifiers requires so much work that Watner's article should be tossed into the sandbox and torn apart until it is reduced to something

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In regards to the comment that "Voluntaryism is, in fact, a school of the modern Libertarian movement" I strongly dissagree. Voluntaryism is a construct of Anarcho-capitalism, which is incorrectly associated with Libertarianism. This artificial link between Anarcho-capitalism & Libertarianism

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This article places a ridiculous amount of undue weight on the walled-garden that is modern Libertarianism, eg: Rothbard. Voluntaryism has a long history, as the body of the article makes clear (although poorly sourced). Emphasising Rothbard et al in the lead is completely unjustified, as indeed is

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Yes, Rothbard contributed much to Voluntaryist thinking and I had not even heard of LeFevre until I read this entry, but Rothbard is not the only one and many Voluntaryists/Anarcho-Capitalists/Libertarians, etc. have serious issues with the last part of Rothbard's career. Again, Rothbard had a take

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Non-aggression principle is important, but even the worth and definition of the NAP is still being debated in many Libertarian and Voluntaryist circles. Also, Molyneux's Universally Preferable Behavior model may be an even better explanation of the principle(s) on which Voluntaryism works. I'd like

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The bit about the Levellers seems like original research. It's good and well to cite the history of the Levellers, but I'm not sure source 10 connects the Levellers to the modern voluntaryist movement, which is what we need to cite them as precursors. Anarchists, Marxists, a-caps, and other radical

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4) "A minarchist government still enforces laws over a geographic area." So do private defense agencies, just their own. "If I purchase property in that area, I would not be able to refuse that governments laws without them taking action against me." Do you somehow inherently not have the option of

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6) Lastly, this is not a discussion forum and I do not have the time to keep changing this wiki. Do what you want. I do not believe you are fairly representing what most voluntarists believe. Because of this, I think you should leave everything we had before at my last edit, but you can add in some

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4) A minarchist government still enforces laws over a geographic area. If I purchase property in that area, I would not be able to refuse that governments laws without them taking action against me. If they let me be, they are not a government. Also, all anarchists are not voluntarism, in fact most

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You don't have any sourced material in there. You can't take out reliably sourced information, which there is a lot of in there. (Each paragraph should have at least one source; so first three paragraphs should each have a reference from same source, assuming that info is in the source and not just

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I think a lot of people don't understand how we can punish each other for bad behavior without being coercive. Consider how you would live if the grocery store refused to let you in, and if your employer suddenly decided not to pay you, and if the local rag outed you as a miscreant. I try to mete

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I suggest that we give Mr. Watner the opportunity to make these minor edits by inserting them into the current version, not relegate his work to the sandbox and replace it with the old article (which has probably misled readers a lot more about the nature of voluntaryism). I'm not going to make the

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The problem is that this article is very long and consistently biased. When you have to make a "minor rephrasing" to every second sentence it does amount to a major re-write. This article is going to sit around in this form for God knows how long before somebody can be bothered to fix it - probably

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Nor have I edited disruptively. I proposed replacing the old voluntaryist article with Mr. Watner's new one and allowed plenty of time for comments before I did so. I even e-mailed all of the previous commentators asking for their feedback. When no one objected, I went ahead and posted Watner's new

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This NOW forwards the disambiguation ONLY to this sectarian view called "VOLUNTARYISM" as if that is the only way the word voluntarism is used in politics, which is false and misleading. I can't even find the old article and will ask for editorial assistance since don't have a lot of time to figure

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doctrines. This is probably one of the main issues in this article, it doesn't really elaborate much what this so called "voluntaryism" is. Therefore, the lead needs a bit more nuance: as I understand, the philosophy claims to want all forms of association to be voluntary, but supports wage labour

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Perhaps your confusion stems from you making no distinction between small-l libertarian and big-L Libertarian. I noticed you capitalized it every time you wrote it, and then referenced the Dallas Accord as some sort of proof. You think there's a link between anarcho-capitalism (the philosophy) and

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Perhaps I did remove too much. You are welcome to debate what might be appropriate to include. That said, it is well known that libertarian writers such as Rothbard are effectively walled gardens on Knowledge. We need to break down the cycle of one source being supported by another source etc in a

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I'm not sure the "libertarian philosophy" part applies. Stefan Molyneux, a hugely credible and arguably popular proponent of voluntary behaviors at FreeDomainRadio.com, argues there is no such thing as x, y, or z philosophy - Stefan argues there is only "good philosophy" and "bad philosophy", with

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5) Again, it seems like your whole argument is a misinterpretation of what government is. What makes a government a government is that it has a set geographical territory that it enforces its laws on. If it does not enforce it's laws on people that it did not enter into contracts with, it is not a

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I decided to add qualifying phrases and to change a few words to make the article more neutral. As I suspected, it wasn't difficult at all. Mr. Watner can review the revisions when he gets a chance and comment on them if he wishes. He can also add some more references where needed, including a few

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Cambrasa is absolutely wrong on both counts. The text I copied and pasted was not taken without permission from The Voluntaryist website. Rather, it is a new article by Carl Watner that he asked me to post. Cambrasa would know that if he/she had taken the time to read and understand the discussion

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There is a phrase in here: "...to support voluntaryism...". What about the concept of Voluntaryism needs or should be supported? Partly, I want to make that argument Voluntaryism is really a concept arguing for a specific type or kind of behavior. Do emotional responses need support? Nope. Should

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As I noted before, the old article was awkwardly written, and it skewed the account of voluntaryism by placing undue emphasis on the views of Auberon Herbert. Watner's new article avoids these pitfalls, provides an abundance of historical background, and gives the reader a clear idea of where the

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1) "If a group of people voluntarily enter into a contract with an organization to follow their laws, it is not a government, it is just a contract with an organization." How is this the case, *definitionally* speaking? Government refers to the legislators, administrators, and arbitrators in the

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You may object that someone can't sign away their rights. This is true ("voluntary slavery" is a contradiction), but if someone signs a contract that says "You agree to this constitution, which says laws will be enforced in these ways and will be changed by this manner, and you will abide by the

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I've cleaned up a number of typos I found in the last revision. Also in that version, the last sentence in the section entitled "The practical perspective in the case of the United States" reads like a total non sequitur. (The sentence in question was "A study by The Economist has concluded that

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I have no problem with this philosophy having it's own article, just that it should NOT have replaced the "voluntarism" article which clearly did NOT reflect the various ways it is used below. Just the first page of a google search showed these different definitions and further searches probably

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The sentence at the top -- "Voluntaryists assert that people cannot be coerced into freedom or voluntarily give it up." is not clear (I'm a long standing Voluntaryist and I don't understand what is meant by this statement! -- and as noted by someone else, there is no citation.) Personally I'd

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Peter Spotswood Dillard has posted, at my request, my article on "Voluntaryism" to wikipedia. It was intended to supercede a shorter article by others, which was incomplete and in some respects misleading. He has my full support in maintaining and posting the article I have written. I

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I actually didn't have any suggestions offhand, and I wasn't indicating that the article was related to the LP in any way; that is just how I ended up getting to this page (I just realized my previous statement was unclear; I got here from the Libertarian Party page on Knowledge, not from an LP

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As Voluntaryism is, in fact, a school of the modern Libertarian movement, its roots as such are central to the content of the article, and the article should be written in its modern context. While history of the movement can be kept in its own category. I've reverted some changes in order to

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And another "philosophy" mentioned here, "anarcho-capitalist philosophy". Every type of philosophy, "Libertarian philosophy", "Anarcho-Capitalist philosophy", "Anarcho-Communist philosophy" is going to have their *own* take on what "Voluntarysim" means to their label. It becomes redundant and

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In regards to point 2, I agree that it is not defined that way and can be reworded. Also, remember not to confuse voluntaryism with the NAP. While many voluntaryists use the NAP to support their philospohy, voluntaryist thinking does not require that you use the NAP as your ethical framework.

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By Susan J. Ellis So many people ask me whether there is a distinction between "volunteerism" and "voluntarism" that I have written up my answer. Here it is: "Voluntarism" (the older term) refers to everything voluntary. In the United States this includes, for example, religion. It certainly

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And as I said before, it's easy for Watner to add a few more peer-reviewed sources, including some that criticize voluntaryism and similar anarchist views. And again, in presenting the objections he can easily tone it down by writing sentences along the lines of: "Sometimes it is objected to

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The article says, "Herbert was not a pure voluntaryist because, although he held that it was possible for state revenues to be generated by offering competitive services on the free market, he continued to advocate a single monopolistic state for every given geographic territory." Don't all

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History and theory demonstrate that a free people produce many more goods and services than their counterparts in a centrally organized economy. Thus, there is more to go around in a free society, and the poor there generally have a higher standard of living than the poor in a collectivist

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Voluntaryist thought has appeared to have been brought to light most recently by modern Libertarian and Anarcho-Capitalist thinkers such as Murray Rothbard, Stefan Molyneux, Ron Paul, Robert LeFerve, and Henry Hazlitt, each reflecting somewhat divergent views on origins and conclusions of

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I don't see any difference between voluntarism and mainstream philosophy. In fact, I'd go so far as to say if Knowledge was polled on the issue, over 80% of respondents would identify with "voluntarism". EDIT -- check that: there's a lot more extremism here than I thought. Nevermind.

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And also thinking about it, the NEW article should be voluntaryism and this should revert back to the original one and I'll immediately revise it to broader meeting reflected in articles above - and we can tweak them once there are two articles. Carol Moore 20:37, 16 December 2007

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I think that the article is unacceptable in its current form. Yes, it may be written by an expert, and it may contain more legitimate information than before, but this information is presented in such a biased manner that it is actually worse than the previous article. I suggest

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It's sort of a less ideological version of voluntaryism, which is really more an ideology than politics. It's sort of like panarchy and panarchism, where the first was a word defined differently by several people and the second was a specific philosophy based on one definition.

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is flexible, but I don't think you get the point. DICTIONARY meaning has Voluntarism as a philosophy and a mode of political action. The original disambiguation called it politics. Voluntaryism is an ideological spin off of voluntarism, which should be noted in the article.

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Second, it may have been a poorly written article, but it probably reflected the fact that voluntarism is used in a number of ways that are NOT voluntaryism, and therefore should not have been merged or redirected here. Obviously having the exact original text would be

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By Susan Perkins, she talks about very specific historical actors: Squanto, William Penn, Cotton Mather, Benjamin Franklin, Alexis de Tocqueville, Underground Railroad, Civil War volunatarism, Dorthea Dix, Clara Barton, Jane Addams, Peace Corps, and existing networks.

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1) If a group of people voluntarily enter into a contract with an organization to follow their laws, it is not a government, it is just a contract with an organization. A government has control over a geographical area and enforces its laws over everyone within their

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literally for each statement you made above. I would recommend updating the prose of the article by inserting individual sentences and paragraphs once you support them with sources. I am sure you will get plenty of support and / or criticism for each update. Best of

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I resent your accusations, Cambrasa. I see that you are responsible for restoring the old article. Shame on you for not first bringing your concerns to the discussion page and talking about them before you reverted. I'll be restoring Watner's article. Leave it

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As for my "purposes," you don't know what you're talking about here. Let's avoid attributing personal agendas and stick to the issue of whether Watner's article needs to be subjected to a major rewrite while a plainly inferior piece is put back in its place.

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The external links could have *far* more reach, as well. I suppose that's all for now. I hope anyone interested in this entry will comment - I think I have made some great points and we should start changing the entry as soon as possible. Thanks for now!

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As I look at the clock I'm realizing how much time this may take to change this entry. So, I'll give a brief idea of how I see the rest of the article going and hope to continue discussion of soon changing this article. Some content structure ideas:

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and other such people were voluntarists. It gives no citations of them claiming to adopt the philosophy, and assumes that since voluntaryism is in a sense "anarcho-captialist," that prominiate ancaps such as Rothbard must therefore be voluntarists.

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An encyclopedia entry can certainly present the arguments typically given for a position. How else is it going to inform the reader not only about the content of a position but also about its official rationale? If your worry is that Mr. Watner is

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This is an invalid assumption and shows poor reasoning, but anarcho-capitalists actually do support some involuntary actions. Rothbard wrote in regard to payments of debt, that "the ideal situation, then, puts the criminal frankly into a state of

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from works by those opposed to voluntaryism. I believe we can continue to make good progress by making additional minor edits like the ones I've mentioned. In my judgment, there is no need to send the article to the sandbox for wholesale revision.

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Whereas voluntaryism is a clearly political ideology, voluntarism sounds, honestly, rather non-political. Maintenance of institutions is not inherently political, for example. Neither is the carrying out of a policy or the achieving of an end.

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Leo Tolstoy was not "near anarchist" he was a christian pacifist anarchist. Gandhi can be described as 'near anarchist' because his philosophy was based on that of Tolstoy (so there is a corralation there). I am going to fix this error now.

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Voluntaryism is a spin off of voluntarism which says that ONLY voluntary political/economic action of any kind is legitimate. It's fine to have it's own page and all these changes made in last couple days debated there on their own merits.

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By Susan Perkins, Graduate Student, Center on Philanthropy at Indiana University. Definition "Voluntarism is the voluntary (acting of one's own accord) participation in a certain action, or a system based on this." Webster's Dictionary.

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To not have even one mention in the entire article of the NAP or Rothbard makes no sense at all. Arguing that too much emphasis was placed on them is one thing; removing them completely is another thing entirely. You removed too much.

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I'm glad "Mmeziere" has taken an interest in this page. S/he has no talk page, unfortunately. Also, they didn't use talk to defend recent edits (though claimed they did). Here's a summary of my take on recent changes to the article:

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Ayn Rand did not espouse Voluntaryism. She was very much Pro-coercion. This is even shown by the quote given in the page. Under Voluntaryism, violence is ALWAYS wrong, not just when self-interest dictates that it is or is not.

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Voluntarism broadly defined is political - as is voluntaryism - but I won't debate what to call them right now. Just put something on talk page about the debate and let's see what others who come along in the future have to

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article didn't already cover. Because of the great number of tags and notices and no one had taken upon himself to correct all these issues I boldy went ahead and merged the two articles which was got their material from the

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that panarchy and panarchism be merged. But I'm flexible, and if there is enough difference between the tendency toward voluntarism and the political philosophy of voluntaryism, then it would surely be a welcome addition.

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Phew, I've fixed this monster now. Still needs some work, but I think in this form it finally deserves being called an "encylopedia article". I'll add a copyedit template because the references still need to be formatted.

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The British system of industrial relations has frequently been described as voluntarist, by which is usually meant the abstention of the state from direct intervention in the handling of industrial relations. ETC...

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My Apologies for Confusion!! First, because of recent changes on the disambiguation page, I got confused and thought that this WAS the original voluntarism article until was RE-named voluntaryism just a couple weeks

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First, because of recent changes on the disambiguation page, I got confused and thought that this WAS the original voluntarism article until was RE-named voluntaryism just a couple weeks ago. (See my message above

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page is correct for the specific political ideology known as voluntaryism and finding its roots in the anarchistic writings of Auberon Herbert. Ms. Moore, if you wish to write an article on the general ideal of

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manner that creates a self-supporting/self-justifying agenda. Knowledge is not the place to pursue ideological warfare and there is no doubt that voluntaryism existed long before the Austrian Economics school.

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to his victim, the criminal continuing in that condition of just slavery until he has redressed the grievance of the man he has wronged." The requirement of the indebted in that case is cleary one which is

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I imagine other economic systems could exist under a voluntaryist system, such as a group of voluntary collectivists. So, a citation number next to "anarcho-capitalism" in the opening line would be useful.

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a) copy current version of voluntaryism into a NEW voluntaryism article and revert this one back to original voluntarism, which then would be changed to add this info and of course link to voluntaryism

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I'll go ahead and write it but properly defined and then someone else, maybe an administrator at some point, can fix the appropriate page names/disambiguation. Carol Moore 01:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

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I'll do the work and put a basic article together and do the disambiguation. Just need opinion on which article should be the brand new one. Thanks. Carol Moore 18:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

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issues, which I will address below. Then I saw that it had been copied and pasted from a website. Then I briefly skimmed over the talk page, where you didn't make it very clear that you had

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In summary, the article presumes that people who have voluntarist-like beliefs are indeed voluntarist, even when they have made no claim to be so and hold beliefs counter to voluntarism.

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remove it or rewrite it, but don't want to step on anyone's toes -- would the original author of this be willing to have another stab at it please? Kind regards, tyler@earthsociety.org

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Voluntaryism is the philosophical belief that the only legitimate interactions in between and among people is done on a freely chosen basis through voluntary association and agreements.

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which was different from LeFevre's take which was different Hazlitt's which is different from Molyneux's - let's move all of this below where each thinker may have their own section.

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Sorry, didn't recognize it as link to old article since looked like a link to current article til now looked at html. Will study and comment. Carol Moore 04:18, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

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are not. You do not seem to understand what a stateless voluntary society would actually be like, but you keep making changes based on your false assumptions/conclusions about it.

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coercive action against your violator. But you or your friends might retaliate coercively. I know that sometimes I can become angry enough to break my peaceful principles.

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that is invasive and coercive? really? What about punishement of criminals? That's coercive. I doubt voluntaryists want to abandon punishment. I'll change the definition --

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and should be removed. The sourcing is poor and without page numbers, and there is nothing suggesting that the movements or people discussed identified with voluntaryism.

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edits because it's not my article. However, I can help Watner as he makes them. If he decides that making these edits requires a substantial revision of the article, then

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I'm sorry I didn't make it clearer earlier that I had Carl Watner's position to post the article. Below is a statement from Mr. Watner that should clarify the situation.

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Please describe what sort of reorganization and "wikification" you think the article needs. I will then direct Mr. Watner to your comments, and we can proceed from there.

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I think that is how the introductory paragraph should read. Here is how the introductory paragraph reads now and I will dissect my problems with it sentence by sentence:

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says "History and theory demostrate..." even though there are plenty of theorists, economists and historians more notable than Carl Watner who would contest this claim.

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I strongly disagree, however, with your argument that voluntaryism is necessarily a type of anarchism and, therefore, that there cannot be pro-government voluntaryism.

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I'm a libertarian which makes it particularly annoying to see people who may be some sort of libertarians obviously destroy an existing article formerly called

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I am reverting you per the explanation in the section immediately preceding this one. Let's not have another Libertarian edit war, driven by ideologues etc. -

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groups all claim the Levellers as proto-types of their own movements, so we need a RS that makes an explicit connection between them and the modern movement.

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Also, I think that the overview section and voluntaryism/anarchism section can be combined. It doesn't bother me having them separate, but what do you think?

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from which readers can find any kind of voluntar- article. This way the readers can easier find the particular topic they are searching for through the hub

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The reasons are not obvious. Anarchism and libertarianism are not the same things. They have been inappropriately compared (or conflated) on this page.

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The new article is not from the Libertarian Party but by Carl Watner, a notable voluntaryist who opposes the LP and any other political organization.

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Am I the only one who sees how easily that could be reworked into a scathing critique of the very capitalism this ideology espouses? Think about it.

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philosophies. Those two statements at the beginning of this article are directly contradictory, and "libertarian" should be removed completely.

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IF such text cannot be found, I guess I can VOLUNTEER (har har) to rewrite an article so that the disambiguation will go to all three defintions.

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made and that others are welcome to make as well. Stop being an obstructionist and start contributing something positive. Otherwise, go away.

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Also, I agree with the deletion of the two paragraphs in the overview section, as those are more about Austrian Economics, not voluntaryism.

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I've placed Voluntaryist Carl Watner's new article on the main page. Minor edits are welcome, particularly the insertion of internal links.

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All the objections have been set up, and knocked down, by himself. Not exactly the best way to make an article more balanced. Watner does

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which doubtless mentioned several of the broader political uses of the word "voluntarism" (use search engine for some examples):

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is a word that has evolved several somewhat different meanings. The original meaning has developed into separate philosophy of

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Mmeziere, combining the anarchism section with an overview is fine, as long as they're integrated in a way that makes sense.

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Ok, cool down, it's not that big of a deal. First I saw that you had blanked the page. Then I saw that your text had some

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and private property. This should all be presented in the lead to give a more accurate picture of the philosophy.

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voluntaryism that..." and "To this objection, voluntaryists reply..." In these instances citations to articles in

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I'm sorry, I meant to say the reasons were on your talk page, and because of point 1, I assume you have seen it.

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page, all the more power to you. In fact, I would say that your doing so would be a win-win for all of us. :)

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The use of or reliance on voluntary action to maintain an institution, carry out a policy, or achieve an end.

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voluntaryist is coming from. The few infelicities Cambrasa perceives in the article can be easily rectified.

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article for what you describe, reassign all inter-wiki links appropiatley and let this article redirect to

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Truther, thanks for your input. I am beginning today. I would love to hear from the editor of this page.

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This Could Be Made Into A Great Article, But Currently Needs Some Work

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3) I didn't list a point 3, so I don't know what you're referring to.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Voluntarism&oldid=133102390

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If you know where the article is, please bring it back and make the

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than an encyclopedia article. It is full of emotive vocabulary - "

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disambiguation page below, which I think should be re-instated.

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Cambrasa, you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

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Liberalism: Voluntarism and Individuality in Political Theory

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1) Point taken on how not all voluntaryists agree with NAP.

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is not. So you're OK being non-peaceful in those situations.

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Kind of Info that belongs in separate "voluntarism" article

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can be addressed without imposing such drastic measures.

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Minor Editing? Maybe. Reverting and/or Major Editing? No.

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Who I am and major article rework I would like to see.

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based on Carl Watner's essay, it violates point 7 on

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I have so many problems with this part. Let's begin:

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New article by Carl Watner: Serious neutrality issues

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That fact was originally reflected correctly at the

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