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The tensor product of an infinite number of von Neumann algebras, if done naively, is usually a ridiculously large non-separable algebra. Instead one usually chooses a state on each of the von Neumann algebras, uses this to define a state on the algebraic tensor product, which can be used to product
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The tensor product of two von Neumann algebras is a von Neumann algebra. The tensor product of two finite algebras is finite, and the tensor product of an infinite algebra and a non-zero algebra is infinite. The tensor product of two von Neumann algebras of types X and Y (I II or III) has type equal
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topology and then with the discrete topology; the former gives rise to an injective von Neumann algebra, the latter does not. It is nonetheless true that the majority of work nowadays is done in the case where the group is discrete, but IMHO worth knowing that a more general definition can be given.
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What do you mean bias? The previous version you reverted explicitly said much of the theory is still applicable in general (bicommutant theorem, Kaplansky density theorem etc.) The important fact to note is that hyperfinite von Neumann algebras (essentially classifiiable by COnnes' classification of
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very such module H can be given an M-dimension dim_M(H) (not its dimension as a complex vector space) such that modules are isomorphic if and only if they have the same M-dimension. The M-dimension is additive, and a module is isomorphic to a subspace of another module if and only if it has smaller
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IIRC, the algebra of locally measurable essentially bounded functions on a locally finite measure space is a von Neumann algebra; I'm not sure whether there is any measure space not equivalent to a locally finite one, but if there is such a beast, I see no way of constructing a von Neumann algebra
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The term "measure space" should indeed have read "σ-finite measure space". However many of the other comments above are caused by a misunderstanding of standard von Neumann algebra terminology. As this obviously confuses some readers I have added a section explaining some of the more confusing
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This comment is incorrect. The von Neumann algebras of the real line with its usual topology, and the real line with its discrete topology, are not isomorphic, since the former has separable predual while the latter does not. Or consider the rotation group in 3 dimensions, again with its usual
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the infinite tensor product example needs hashing out. It's overly colloquial, and it's not terribly clear unless you know what's meant to begin with. I'm still not absolutely sure it belongs there, but no reason to throw it out as long as it's at the end and not actually
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Also, what's the point of considering locally compact rather than discrete groups? It makes the example much more complicated. (I believe the von Neumann group algebra of a locally compact group is isomorphic to that of the same group considered as discrete group).
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functions" is also a slightly inaccurate term when locally compact groups are considered: it might not be totally obvious that the Hilbert space is independent of the choice of Haar measure, besides the whole identification-of-equivalent-functions issue.
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What exactly is the point of defining a von Neumann algebra as being "generated" by a certain set of operators? We haven't even explained how this is always possible, nevermind that it's hardly a good way to define the group von Neumann algebra.
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Since a left-invariant Haar measure is unique up to multiplication by a scalar factor, L is unambiguous provided one states explicitly whether one is using a left or right invariant Haar measure. Not sure what the problem is supposed to be here.
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Shouldn't any initial discussion of a mathematical quantity like "M-dimension" at least state what type of quantity it is? E.g., to what set does it belong? I hope someone knowledgeable about the subject can make this a lot
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stands for "infinite tensor product of finite type I factors". The type of the infinite tensor product can vary dramatically as the states are changed; for example, the infinite tensor product of an infinite number of type
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article currently mentions only von Neumann algebras, though if memory serves a similar construction for C*-algebras exists. I am unsure whether the two coincide for von Neumann algebras considered as C*-algebras.
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The name of the section is Examples, R.e.b. Better not to have an example at all than having one that makes the article not self-contained. I will certainly remove such examples if there's no obvious way to fix
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Someone please include a definition of "locally compact measure space", does it mean a locally compact Hausdorff space with a measure that is a positive linear functional on continuous maps with compact support???
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Sorry, I should have made it clearer that I was deliberately approaching this subject from the point of view of a student who does not know the usual terminology about von Neumann algebras -- the article
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an orthogonal sum of unitarily equivalent projections need not be unitarily equivalent, i.e. suppose A ~ B and C ~ D, where ~ means unitary equivalence, it's not necessarily true that A + C ~ B + D.
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Please do not delete paragraphs that you find too terse or difficult. Instead you can add a "too technical" tag and put a request on the talk page for someone to provide more explanation.
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is highly non-commutative since it doesn't seem to mean much except stating that such an algebra is non-commutative. This is not true if we make everything we can trivial.
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At some point we should say that von Neumann algebras can be characterized abstractly as a C*-algebra with a predual. We need to decide where to put this in.--
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The tensor product case should certainly go out. The definition isn't trivial, and it should certainly not be dispensed with as a mere question of terminology!
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is not always a von Neumann algebra. Sure, the counterexamples might be pathological and uninteresting, but that doesn't mean incorrect statements are okay.
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to be a von Neumann algebra, and the interesting statement is that the result of this completion is independent of certain choices made to define it.
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I couldn't find the term "locally compact measure space" anywhere in the article. Are you suggesting we include a definition of it in any case? --
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Von Neumann algebras are virtually always non-separable, in the norm topology. This most definitely no longer belongs in the examples section.
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The tensor product of two von Neumann algebras is most certainly not a von Neumann algebra (except in some very simple cases). It can be
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I'm not sure a footnote is the best way to do it, but in the interest of mathematical correctness, it is important to point out that
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wow, that's terrible. pasted it from a prev paragraph, my bad. i suggest that the sentence be added back, with obvious corrections.
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short of considering its closure (but, of course, the resulting von Neumann algebra would be commutative, and thus isomorphic to
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of a von Neumann algebra by a discrete (or more generally locally compact) group is a von Neumann algebra.
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I'd like a real section about the tensor products of von Neumann algebras; it is more than terminology.
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The examples section was rather error-ridden: here are the changes, and reasons for them:
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Oops, sorry. Just saw you didn't revert to the old wording of the tensor product example.
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Why is their definition in the von Neumann-article? I'm moving them to the C*-algebras.
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I would like to delete the comment that the space of bounded linear transforms on a
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isn't order complete, but the lattice of projections in a von Neumann algebra is).
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was removed with the edit summary claiming it's incorrect. why is it incorrect?
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The essentially bounded functions on a measure space form a commutative (type I
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a Hilbert space and a (reasonably small) von Neumann algebra. The factors of
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uncountable with uncountable complement, and consider a net of operators in
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I fail to see why this is discussed before von Neumann group algebras are.
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that converge in the weak or strong topology towards the projection onto
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Fails in the case of certain pathological measure spaces, see above.
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is the von Neumann algebra generated by the left translations of
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If the removed examples can be salvaged, feel free to do so.
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factors can have any type depending on the choice of states.
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The section "Modules over a factor" contains this passage:
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What are constructed from what? This isn't even a stub.
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for some nice (i.e. locally finite) measure space).
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