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Rizzuto immigrated prior to 1975. And turned 21 prior to 1975 as well. He does not hold an Italian citizenship. Nationality: is the state of being part of a nation whether by birth or naturalization Emphasis on 'naturalization'. Why is Vito Rizzuto referred to as Italian in the nationality column, despite not having Italian citizenship, While John Abate, of italian descent is only referred to as Canadian. Despite both being Italian Canadians regardless of Birthplace.
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Canadian nationality? I don't think such a source exists—if it does please provide it. Either "Italian" should be in the "nationality" field, or it should be left blank ("Canadian" in both "nationality" and "citizenship" fields are redundant and against MoS). I will lean more on keeping "Italian" in the "nationality" field based on this.
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citizen, or permanent resident when the person became notable. There is nothing about birthplace, Descent, Ethnicity. Understand? We've got to remove
Italian-Canadian. And add only Canadian on the basis he was a prominent Montrealer figure. And because there is no indication whatsoever of his Dual nationality. So what's not there. Shouldn't be mentioned.
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was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable. This clearly denotes what a person is to be reffered as and is not consistent of descent, dual citizenship, nor birthplace. And clearly states a person is to be prominently intertwined with a country or place he is more affiliated with. Canada. Surely.
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matter of a change, one of necessity. Based on the fact that what's written there is wrong. You said that he may have reobtained it? There's nothing what's denoting that he ever did. His rise is based upon his affiliation with a
Montreal based crime family. Now tell me. Is this still not convincing for you?
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A piece of advice: make your argument clearly and concisely, based only on policies and sources, not on other articles (which may themselves be wrong). As things stand, I don't know what your view is on what the article ought to say about his nationality, or what sources you think support that view.
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Well don't that make john Gotti notable. Yet there is no
Italian American applicable to that but only American. Everyone know who Vito Rizzuto is. That's the point isn't it. He is categorized within Italian Canadians. Just like any of italian descent. But you can see what makes him notorious is his
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Well. remove the citizenship column then. For it to not look redundant. If anything? There is this, Italian citizenship could be lost: By a man or woman, being of competent legal age (21 years if before 10 March 1975 or 18 years if after 9 March 1975), who of his or her own volition naturalised in
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Ok. I've taken this here. When it comes to dual nationality. Italian citizenship could be lost: By a man or woman, being of competent legal age (21 years if before 10 March 1975 or 18 years if after 9 March 1975), who of his or her own volition naturalised in another country and resided outside of
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I'm sorry, You still don't see anything 'convincing'. You said nationality is determined by the place of birth. Yet I proved you wrong. And what's backing this up is the meaning attained from a
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Are you trying to say that nationality and citizenship are the same thing? They're not. 1. Either nationality stays as
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I think I just explained the meaning of nationality on
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This is a solid article overall, evidenced through the few points mentioned above. The references also look fine - I've converted all the dates to mdy format so they're consistent. As always, I enjoy reading these. Once the minor points are out of the way this will be good to go.
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I've given everything coherent and what accumulates my explanation's consolidation is the back-up by Knowledge's policy and Change of necessity. While you thought that 'nationality' is POB. then you said it's based on perception. So time for you to drop the stick.
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1948:: Rizzuto was born in Italy, therefore by default is an Italian national unless there is a source that states he does not identify with being Italian. Then, he legally obtained Canadian citizenship, which is separate from nationality.
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