Talk:Vibrato systems for guitar

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spring you'll get almost no downbend at all, even with light strings, but lots of upbend range if you're carefull, and two or three quickly broken treble strings if you're not but some bands might like even that effect (cheaper than smashing the axe...). Two works well with ultra-light srings, or with standard lights gives some downbend but better up. Four and five springs are dive-bomb territory, lots of downbend range, especially if you fit Ernie Ball 2626 strings (.012 top E to to .056w bottom E) or similar, which also gives clarity and stability at the bottom of the dive.

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probably be very small, and it's unclear whether the article would survive a deletion proposal. Instead of working on the Tremstopper article I am wanting to add a section here with explanation of what the issues are and how the designs attempt to conquer them. Given that the Tremsetter was available on some high-end Fender guitars in the nineties (I've got a book reference for that), and is still available from Fender, and that the Tremol-No has gotten some reviews, it should be a section which is relevant to the subject and has a fair number of references.

4147:). Looking quickly through the article, I get the sense that it could do with copyediting to tighten up the writing, it seems verbose. If we are considering splitting, then I think one place to start could be to look at which of the main designs are notable enough to have their own articles, meaning that the sections for them get cut down considerably in this article. The current proposal to split is too vague for me to support, I'd prefer to see a proposal with suggestions for what parts would be split out and where they would go. Cheers, 429: 411: 3606:. The device's usage is a matter that is somewhat loosely attached, and perhaps fodder for a separate article (where it risks running into WP:NOTHOWTO). One or two highly credible examples is likely cool, but an ever-expanding list heads toward the WP:NOTCASE wall; if someone is "a notable user," then that would properly be addressed in THAT article, merely noted here. Most people will go to their graves having never played a guitar much less wrestled a trem arm, so detail risks running right past the 2237:

find a place to add new content. It also seemed that the Fender designs could be grouped together and provide a natural place for the "Other Fender designs" section. Lastly I added a section called "Vibrato system additions" to handle tools/gadgets like the Tremol-No and D-tuna (and perhaps others, those were the two I know about) and added content to it. There was very little useful content in the Tremstopper article, most likely due to its lack of references.

3122:- It is worth remembering that this is an encyclopedia and can include all the relevant facts. The name of the article is "Vibrato systems" as each of mechanisms described comprises more than the lever or "arm". The vibrato systems designed for the Fender Mustang and the Fender Bronco were both named VIBRATO, as outlined in this article, but later colloquially termed "trem". And that the Kauffman Vibrola and Bigsby Vibrato both pre-date any Fender "trem".---- 3318:(a rapidly repeated note—or, in electronic effects, automatically fluctuating volume) There are numerous mechanical/acoustic means of creating tremolo. Pipe organs used a rotating shaft fitted with lengthwise vanes placed in front of the mouth of the pipes. Vibraphones used a similar arrangement between the tone bars and the resonators. Both created timbre variation as well, probably contributing to the confusion between "tremolo" and "vibrato". 190: 3694:— so now that's TWICE that you have accused me of making specious claims, when it looks like you should be off fixing the actual burr under your saddle. In brief, it's not "my idea" & if it's incorrect then (1) provide a source for your guesswork & (2) go fix it. The "rubbish" crack is entirely unwarranted; why do you need to turn a mostly-civil exchange of (easily verifiable) data into an insult you feel obliged to attack? 327: 306: 275: 2558: 2964:

talking about! But now it is wrong term? Using Google search we find that in it's Dictionary, Tremolo is defined as Trem·o·lo a noun /ˈtreməˌlō/, 1. A wavering effect in a musical tone, typically produced by rapid reiteration of a note, or sometimes by rapid repeated variation in the pitch of a note or by sounding two notes of slightly different pitches to produce prominent overtones

4659: 3904:, it's used by "Les Claypool, Stanley Clarke, Tony Levin, Jonas Hellborg, Dave LaRue, and Victor Wooten" (overlooking Entwistle). "Burns developed a…vibrato-equipped Vista-Sonic…bass in 1962.… The ’80s saw Alembic modify Bigsby guitar vibratos for bass, Kahler introduced several models, and Steinberger offered a bass version of their TransTrem in 1987." 483: 337: 3170: 3166: 3162: 4335:(yes, single-wheeled trailers do exist, but most trailers...). My guess is, the author of the abstract had only examined one guitar in any detail. And that's fair enough but they should reflect that in the abstract, and don't, just the opposite, they imply that they've done a survey of guitars, and they obviously haven't. 1132:

string down a full step to D (or in Eddie's case, Db), enabling him to retune for songs such as Unchained without unlocking the nut. What I can't remember for the life of me is where I read this, so I suppose it's not entirely helpful. Hopefully someone else reading this might remember the article I'm thinking of.

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But an essential part of this is the scope of the article. A whammy bar is no longer primarily a vibrato device (if it ever was). It should certainly be mentioned in this article, but I really can't see how we can avoid having an article on the whammy bar (by whatever name) as a topic of its own. Nor

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was another serial strat player, but he has since been upfront about why... it was because he was smashing them onstage, and the strat is almost modular, it can be separated into neck, body, trem and electrics in minutes and reassembled almost as quickly. So Townshend was able to put the good bits of

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I admit to a POV on this. I was there and probably still suffer from 1970speak in relation to electric guitars. The first decent solid body guitar I ever played was a '68 Jag. So I need to be careful too, and so I'm not going to make the changes I think necessary to de-POV the article for the moment.

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And the merger has now been done. I took the liberty to remove the "History" section, move all relevant headings up one level, and make a sub-topic for the Fender designs. Having a specific section on history without actually having any content except all the other sections made it very difficult to

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I've been playing electric guitar for most of my life and consider it an instrument. Yet, calling the vibrato bar/arm a tremolo bar/arm is one of the silliest mistakes a person could perpetuate. A lot of material (guitar magazines, instruction books) correctly call a vibrato bar a vibrato bar. That's

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the floating tremolo was not introduced by fender, a floating tremolo is one that allows you to raise as well as lower the pitch you can pull up on the tremolo arm or press down on it it works both ways this was created by guitarist extraordinaire Steve Vai and his guitar tech. Fender tremolo's only

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If you can find sources that cite the particular use of the trem on a particular track, by all means add them. In particular, sources that cite exactly what trem mechanism was used would be great. Hendrix' use of the strat trem as claimed may not be 100% accurate IMO... it's a commonly believed myth

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If talking about the angle formed between the bevel and the bottom of the base plate, that's about 150-160°, not a knife edge. That edge is usually in contact with the body, but it can come away from the body, depending on the adjustment of the screws and how far down the arm is pressed. There can

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I don't think this is quite correct. I've never seen any original or copy that was like this. Even looking at Leo's patent drawing next to the paragraph, the bevelled "knife edge" at the front of the base plate doesn't touch the guitar body normally. It will possibly touch the body only if the arm

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I clearly recall reading a short article in some guitar magazine in which Floyd Rose himself confirmed that Eddie Van Halen had given him input on the range of the bridge end fine tuners. Van Halen indicated that it would be more practical for him if the fine tuners could accomodate tuning the low E

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Finally and most important IMO, I've done some rephrasing to the surviving additions to the Rose trem section. The point about the early units not having fine tuners, and being favoured by some guitarists, is a good one but IMO overstated. Most guitarists think the fine tuners are an improvement, as

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And also, what range is musically useful? For surf sounds, you're only really able to use the range over which a three-string chord will stay in tune, which is where the Jag trem (properly set up, 30 mins each string change even if only one string) really shines. For shred, the only thing that seems

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normally describes a particular piece of male anatomy. I guess both the poster to the mxtabs blog I just quoted and the anon who added the term to this article are just being funny. Most and possibly all other Google hits are either similar jokes, or nothing to do with guitars, or Knowledge mirrors.

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is used by others in the way you are using it... but again a reference would be good if you have one. (And primary sources are fine on talk pages, in articles we avoid them but it's useful to be a bit more tolerant of them in talk pages if the facts are in dispute, IMO.) It seems to bundle together

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was always a misnomer (which it was and is) and that therefore the term should never be used, even in the context of history (which is not a valid conclusion unfortunately). And on their own web pages, they are free to do this. But Knowledge is not like that. We have rules. We report accurately. We

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Looking at the article as it is now, it also appears that most of the content is subsections of the History section. It could perhaps instead be rewritten/rearranged so that it points out that the designs are listed chronologically by time of inventions, and then have sections for each of the main

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So, block your trem. Any reputable music shop or guitar tech or many advanced guitarists can do this for you. It makes the guitar play like a hard-tail. I recommend putting a machine screw in the trem arm socket so the trem arm can't even be fitted, otherwise you risk damage if someone borrows your

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Never mind the joy of trying to correctly tune a guitar where the bridge moves to lower all strings every time you tune one up. If you use a lot of Drop-D or Eb, it's a nightmare. It's a balancing act that I don't think many musicians want to deal with when the positives are well outside of their

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synch trem. It's very interesting if true, but I'm skeptical. I've never heard this development attributed to Rose before. I'd think if it were true that Fender would be obliged to admit it on their web pages, or that Rose would claim it on theirs, and neither do as far as I can see. It sounds like

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The first sentence in the second paragraph reads: "Since the regular appearance of mechanical tremolo arms in the 1950s, guitarists ranging from the gentle inflections of Chet Atkins to the buoyant effects of surf music aficionados like Duane Eddy to art rock innovator Frank Zappa." What? I would

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Modern rock is often heavily based on power chords and other techniques that are pretty brutal to the strings. At least in my experience with the Fender system (and I'm a very less-than-stellar non-serious guitarist with an American Standard Stratocaster), playing hard, palm muting, and executing

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true is this? I'd specify the precise model and year of an example, and give its variation, in the article; That's encyclopedic and valuable information IMO. Choose an example you think typical, but I wouldn't try to justify the choice in the article; The information as to why you hold the opinion

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The most simple kind of tremulant is a weighted electric motor affixed to the top of the reservoir for the division. When activated, the spinning of the motor causes the reservoir to shake, altering the wind pressure. This type of tremolo appeared first in the twentieth century, when the electric

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Still another design was used on the student model Fender Bronco, released mid-1967. This was simply known as the Fender vibrato tailpiece, or sometimes the Fender steel vibrato. It was again designed by Leo Fender although he had sold the company by the time it appeared. Basically a synchronized

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there, some might say it's not strictly necessary as the closing admin should follow the link here and see your views anyway, but speaking from experience it's very helpful to them if your views are explicitly in the RM section, and it also helps those who may later be referring to the discussion

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I don't really see any point to this as it's written, as the information is almost entirely duplicated below. maybe it could be used to illustrate how there are designs involving springs to alter tension with a fulcrum or using flexible metal, or just general overview of how different mechanisms

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The Patent filed for the Fender Tremolo Device for Stringed Instruments on August 30, 1954 decribes the bar as Tremolo Control Bar (line 1-21), and this patent uses the same term throughout it's contents. The term Tremolo Bar was used throughout the 50's and 60's, and everyone knew what you were

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with redirects from "whammy bar", "vibrato bar", "tremelo arm" etc. I understand that the lever is the most visible part of the various vibrato systems, but think that it actually the various whole systems that are relevant and discussed here. The "tremelo" misnomer can be fully explained in its

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about where you want the non-removable trem arm to end up so as not to stress and/or mark the guitar body or get in the way of either playing or putting the guitar away in the case, then tighten the strings up again without the spring in place and you're done), and put it back just as easily (so

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Yes, exactly. And also the string gauge and the number of springs fitted... the standard strat claw and bridge and most imitations allow for up to five springs but only three are normally fitted. It works with anything from one to five, and perhaps with none at all (haven't tried that). With one

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As per the current article, the Kauffman Vibrola predates the Fender Synchronised Tremolo by over 20 years, so I think your statement “the first few decades of guitar catalogs used the terms “tremolo arm”…” is incorrect. Also I think using the term “vibrato system”, emphasis on “system” is more

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website, not Knowledge. It's borderline at best as reliable sources go, but I thought you might find it interesting, and might save us reinventing the wheel here, as it already makes some of the points that you have since made. But there's no need to even read it if you don't want to, we can go

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I think that redirects are already in place to this article for common names. I don’t see the point of a split, myself. “Vibrato system” is an accurate descriptor, as the lever (arm) is the controlling component only. Regardless of whether the above assertion is correct (that the majority of

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While "Vibrato systems for guitar" is a fairly long title, it seems to capture the subject well, and as mentioned earlier also allows the article to address various issues regarding variations, names, etc. So I support the move too (hopefully I can get some spare time to merge the tremstopper

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article, which is an orphan. Some references can be found regarding the Hipshot Tremsetter and the Tremol-No as two examples of designs that attempt to mitigate some of the issues related to tremolo bridges, and that could be used in the article. Even with those the Tremstopper article would

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Hendrix likely played a Danelectro in his early days, and definitely played an SG for a couple of tunes on his Cavett appearance, but almost always stuck with a Strat, in part probably because of the trem (which I wouldn't say as it's OR, and citing someone else's guess really wouldn't be any

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Yes, Leo Fender screwed up when he named it a tremelo arm, it should really be called a vibrato arm. Nothing is going to change the fact now. I don't think the name of the article should be changed for this reason, even though it was named incorrectly, that is what it's name is now. Jim

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A refactor to create a top level (two =s in wikitext) section specifically on whammy bars would be quite acceptable. It could then link to articles on the strat trem, floating bridge (I'd lump the 'stang trem and Jaguar/Jazzmaster/BassVI units together under that name, as do Fender) etc..

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who both make top-of-belly units). I'd prefer no trem to a Bigsby! Fortunately, you can block many Bigsby units simply by slackening the strings and removing the spring, no tools required (do a gentle upbend with the strings slack and it will generally just fall out on the floor, and then

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or whatever we decide to call it. A majority of the solid-body guitars sold both today and historically have one, and possibly even a majority of all electric guitars. Its use is an important part of electric guitar technique, while the other systems are rare and/or historic only.

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because a vibrato bar modulates pitch. If it modulated volume, it would be a tremolo bar, but it doesn't do that. "Whammy bar", even though it's slang, may be the best thing to call the device. Most guitar-like MIDI-controllers let you assign the whammy bar to any MIDI parameter.

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So... the basic designs that have significant following are the Bigsby, the 'strat trem, the Fender floating bridge design(s) (Jag and 'stang... one design or two?) and the modern cam-driven systems based on pedal steel design, which was also largely developed, interestingly, by

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will always call the trem what the players called it, as will those buying, restoring, playing and (unfortunately) just displaying vintage guitars, and those buying the new retro models fitted with floating tremolos and 'stang trems (or perhaps someday even bronco trems).

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could be tremolo arms. But they could also be vibrato arms or low-pass filter arms or resonance arms, etc. "Whammy bar" is generic and there is no ambiguity. If it didn't sound so silly, I would definitely prefer it. In my opinion, this article should be retitled.

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are complete neologisms. They're just not the right terms to describe the historical Leo Fender designs. If and when the campaign to rewrite the history of the trem design succeeds, then we should follow it, to the extent that it succeeds. No less and no more.

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guitars are now available with Rose trems is just not true. No arch-top is AFAIK, nor are 12-strings, for example. It's an obvious overstatement by an enthusiast. But, my original phrase was probably too conservative. I've now gone for something in the middle.

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OK, I decided that it was simplest to delete the second paragraph. I don't think the word "tremolo" is used incorrectly in "tremolo arm." The tremolo arm can be used to bend a half step or greater, which is somewhat analogous to vocal tremolo but not vibrato.

4494:(PLoS ONE is peer reviewed, so that should carry some additional weight). I also found a couple of book sources through Google: Guitar: A Complete Guide for the Player by Nigel Osborne (p. 58), and Guitar All-in-One For Dummies by Consumer Dummies (p. 179). 4287:

ABSTRACT: String instruments such as electric guitars are often equipped with a vibrato system, which allows varying the pitch of all strings as a musical effect. It is usually based on a mobile bridge that is kept in balance by the strings and a coiled

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Yes, the redirects are good. Perhaps if they pointed to sections of the article, that would be better. And I'm still of two minds on this! I actually proposed the RM which gave the article its current name. But the results have not been good. See below.

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From the playing about i've done with this type of trem, the range depends on the way you set it. For instance, if you unscrew the two screws holding the spring claw a couple of turns, the tail will hinge out further and allow more than two half-steps

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started selling his hand-built instruments. It's been conjectured that the whangbar inspired Bigsby to improve the (then primitive) pedal steel, and also that both innovations were independent expressions of a cultural desire for more "fluid" musical

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the Fender catalogs the strings are simply passed through the bar, in a similar fashion to those on a conventional open tailpiece. Possibly wrapping them round Bigsby-fashion gives still more range, but the design seems to have them straight through.

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I'm not saying that the whole paper is rubbish. Just that we need to be very careful on this subject. Many people seem to think they know a lot more than they do, at all levels of scholarship. (And I need to be careful too, perhaps that goes without

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should appear in the title, those in favour of this citing common usage as it currently appears on the web and those against citing historical accuracy. This proposal makes both of these issues irrelevant so far as the article title is concerned.

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The Austin tremulant consists of a large blade that spans the length of the windchest above the pipes. When the tremulant is activated, the blade turns on its longitudinal axis, disturbing the air over the sounding pipes and creating a tremulant

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The validity of continuing to misidentify is that it's easier (amongst guitarists) to refer to "the trem" than "the vibrato." In that context, it's useful jargon. In a WP article, it's (at best) inappropriate folksiness, and rightfully policed.

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2. A mechanism in an organ producing such an effect 3. A lever on an electric guitar, used to produce such an effect So, using a Tremolo Bar causes changes in pitch, and the orginal use of Tremolo to describe the purpose of the bar is correct!"

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Thnak you. I have just returned from 2 weeks with no computer access and have found that the change to the article title have been made. The erticel needs some minor re-writes to match the new title. I'll start on that now. Please make your own

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Though not strictly "a vibrato system," it clearly belongs in this article seeing as the case is made (largely through original research) in the article that the "vibrato" is used for so many more tasks than mere vibrato, so both or

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I do sympathise with your violinist! I had a classical guitar teacher who was similarly adamant. And my singing coach just scratched her head and muttered something under her breath about the general incompetence of rock musicians.

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that they used to replace 'nut'. Nearly every trem (not all) I've ever seen has more than one saddle; The trem we're discussing in the section affected has six. It's the whole bridge that moves as a unit. Probably best just to say

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bends on one string while keeping others sounding at a steady pitch means the system gets in the way more often than I use it. Either the bridge moves inadvertantly, or the strings go out of tune way more easily than they should.

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I also noticed that there appears to be some clean-up needed because there's lots of mentions of "tremolo" where "vibrato" or "bridge" could perhaps be more appropriate. I don't have time to look at it right now, though. Cheers,

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If a guitar produced its tones via a collection of resonant individually tuned tubes, then a method similar to vibraphones might be used, though likely few guitarists would enjoy carrying about the motor, drive belts, and power

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Having searched a bit looking for sources I prefer your second approach (or some variation of it), because it became clear to me that the terms are used interchangeably in the industry. I think the lede can make three claims:

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that would be OK, but even then, we should cite at least one of these authorities, to also verify exactly why they dislike the name. But most important, just to repeat what we do, uncritically and without citation, is both

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was first introduced it was a pretentious attempt to rewrite history, but it seems to have been taken up by those of the public who write websites, blogs etc (although still not with the equipment suppliers), so I yield.

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Hmmmm. IMO a much larger part is the need to buy special strings, limiting the choice, locking you in to one supplier, putting the guitar off the road in the case of any supply hitch and as a result making the instrument

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The quote says “spring” instead of “springs”, but it is the short introductory abstract to a scientific paper. Does the author discuss multiple springs in the full text? Apart from that, the quote seems accurate to me.

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device in contemporary playing... using it as a vibrato system still occurs in surf music and other restricted genres, but mainstream since Hendrix has been more spectacular effects, which are no more accurately called

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Further to this discussion, it should be noted that the a Google search for the term "whammy bar" produces about 219,000 results. That would suggest that this term is the most popular and well-known term in use on the

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for a "how-to" on using citations and references in Knowledge. Once that problem has been corrected, please feel free to renominate the article for a full review. If you have any questions, please contact me via my

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to be interesting. There's probably a "10 essential whammy bar songs" or something like that in one of the guitar magazines? Either way, I find that section to be overly long, so I support trimming it down. Cheers,

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Loosening these woodscrews is certainly possible, but not adviseable. They'll eventually work loose and pull out of the wood, sooner if they're often adjusted and/or very loose and/or if the trem is regularly used.

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As a tentative conclusion, I would suggest that if we want to use the most popular term, then the article title should be "Whammy bar". If we want to use the most accurate term, the title should be "Vibrato arm".

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I think "controversy" is the wrong word. Everyone agrees that Leo got it wrong and this invention is misnamed. I propose changing the name of this section to "Vibrato or tremolo?", which is what's used on the

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True about the Leslie and the vibraphone (I have also worked with both... more often with the Leslie than with a vibes player I admit), but of course a Leslie is used with electric and electronic instruments.

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It seems to me (I'm a complete ignorant) that Micro-Frets had a locking tremolo system (which would transpose the chord, like a non-locking TransTrem, right?) already in the very early seventies. Examples:

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Most notably, the article needs a rewrite to match its current name. You might think those who were so keen on renaming it would also have been keen on the article reflecting the rename, but evidently not.

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I have to confirm, this section of the article is totally wrong. Just inspected my own Stratocaster, the bridge does not touch the body at all except at the extremes of its range of motion. The pivoting

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does indeed predate the Fender Synchronised Tremolo, as per the current article some of these systems were not tremolo arms. They were other vibrato systems. So I think your statement needs more research.

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It's an ongoing and natural discussion! IMO the dispute is by people who are either ignorant of guitar culture, or in some cases possibly don't regard the electric guitar as a musical instrument (;-: -->

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The proposed title better encapsulates what the article is about, and does it in a way that should be more intuitive to the reader. Terms that are in everyday use is easily handled through redirects.

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The note at the top of that section has been there for almost eight years, so yeah, might as well trim that section. Wasn't immediately obvious where to find something to cite for it, although I found

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That would seem true. As the term appears to be very popular on the web, and is at least neutral in meaning (as opposed to "tremolo arm" which is misleading), I agree that this is the best term to use.

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but the tailpiece is in many ways more like the Bigsby. I suspect that people have just been adding their favourite (eg Floyd Rose) to the list, and removing the ones they don't like (eg the 'stang).

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that this is a typical model is probably original research. I'd give the information as to all the guitars you tested (and I'd love to see it myself), but put it on this talk page, not in the article.

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We should certainly note the other popular names in the article lead, and have redirects from them, and describe the naming controversy in the article text with appropriate references and footnotes.

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Almost all the load is on the six screws, that's where most of the pivoting is going on. There's a good section about it in Dan Erlewine's book (don't have it with me). However from his website -

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well, I actually pronounce it more like trem-a-lo, with the "a" being what my grade school teacher called a "short a". Don't think I've every heard the middle vowel pronounced with an "oh" sound.

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designs. But is the 'stang trem really based in this design? Either the 'stang trem should be on the list in its own right, or this entry should be broadened to cover all floating bridge designs.

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Frankly, I'm not a great fan of the strat trem, it does everything reasonably well and for most working musos therefore probably the only real option, but for most styles there are better options.

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I've just stumbled onto this page and I know I'm talking about an extremely old comment here, but I think there might be some truth to this in general about Tremolo that may be worth mentioning.

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All my sources say that it was an erroneous name given by Leo Fender when he invented the synchronized trem; I've tried to be diplomatic in re-adding, but I don't think there's much dispute.

3787:. A reference would be good, either way... but I have a sinking feeling that the phrase may come from their sales literature, which would not be an ideal source. Still far better than none. 590:

A rapid repetition of the same note, or an alternation between two or more notes. A rapid and repetitive variation in pitch for the duration of a note. This is more usually called vibrato."

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by whatever name is a good topic and should have an article, not just be part of this broader and relatively vague Wikipediaism. That's what I set out to write, and it's a shame that the

2339: 1943:. As a second rationale for renaming, consider which of the terms is most commonly used on the web. Please check the number of results for each term in, for example, a Google search: 694:

My experimentation would suggest about five half-steps down and one to two half-steps up, but, considering that this is clear original research, I can't think of how to include it.

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below. That's the POV of some Wikipedians and I'm sure of some authorities too. But this is a controversial clam, so we either cite the authorities, or say nothing on the subject.

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I've seen this up to the '60s on cheap Japanese guitars. The cheapest Gibson "Vibrola" has more in common with that primitive design than with the actual Kauffman Vib-rol-a.

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My intent is NOT to "critique your essay" but to help ensure that the work you've done doesn't get all stretched out of shape in the long term. This is primarily an article

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using the phrase "commonly referred to", and the book Teach Yourself Guitar Repair and Maintenance by John Carruthers uses "tremolo" and points to the misnaming on page 57.

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And I guess we'd then need to deal with what the purists wanted to call that section! Just so long as the various redirects all point there it's not all that important.

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Less serious but the reason I removed it, it's oversimplified. You can't for example do this with a Bigsby, because there's no socket, the arm is permanently attached.

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Another adjustment is possible - the two screws that connect the spring claw to the body can be screwed in or out to further tweak the angle that the tailpiece sits at.

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The Bigsby is worse, the only reason for fitting one IMO is if your guitar won't take a better design, which many won't (semi-acoustics in particular... but check out

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Erring on the side of caution is good. Suggest you be more cautious who you believe about pipe organs. The more I look at it the more I think that your idea of the

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Two problems here. Most important, the Whammy Tapping article was deleted as dubious and unsourced. I don't actually agree with that deletion, there was a ref to a

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by an IP with no other contributions seems right on the money. The question now is, how did the error occur? Possible under-the-radar vandalism? Watch this space.

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as the name. It seems to overcome all the problems associated with other names except the need for a subsequent rewrite, and a rewrite is currently needed anyway.

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Jaguar bridge with Mustang® saddles, nylon bridge post inserts for improved stability, chrome cover and vintage-style floating tremolo tailpiece; and "taller"

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historical and cultural context. The term "vibrato" is the accurate one which is applicable across all musics and most of the world's instruments. Thank you.--

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continue to dominate the development of the trem arm to this day, it's all still based on their work. And rumour is that neither was much of a guitarist...!

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What rubbish. The most common trem is the strat trem, with three to six springs. No Gibson Vibrola has ever had a mobile bridge AFAIK, nor has any Bigsby.

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above. The proposed move could be performed without use of admin powers, but in the light of previous discussions I thought it best to raise it formally.

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which I suspect would be more accurate) that the effect is primarily on the sound production. It seems unlikely to me, despite the company calling it a

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First of all: thanks for starting the work on improving this article! It's great to see it get some attention, looking forward to keep working on this.

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company has used a vibraphone-like (and reed organ-like) tremulant on their pipe organs, the wind-chest based systems with which I am familiar are the

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Yes, electronic is the only way to put tremolo on a guitar, even if it's something so simple as a potentiometer (on the instrument or in a foot pedal).

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It states "there is provision for up to five springs. Only three are fitted here to allow for use of light strings, there being no other adjustment."

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I've scheduled some time on my calendar to get this done over the coming week-end. Thanks for the support, and for reminding me about it! Cheers,

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However the main merit of this proposal is its accurately reflecting the current article scope. Some of the important early designs didn't have a

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several smashed strats back together fairly easily! Hendrix and The Who had a long-standing association, so that possibility deserves a look IMO.

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are fairly standard, and I'm very skeptical that there's any Rose-equipped guitar in the world with plain tuning keys rather than machine heads.

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But for now at least, the term for the four Leo Fender designs {strat trem, floating trem, 'stang trem and bronco trem) considered together is

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The Guitar Riff is nice, but the single note doesn't really show the vibrato sound. I think this is mostly because the note fades too quickly.

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The basis of the synchronized tremolo is a rigid assembly that incorporates both the bridge and tailpiece, which pivots on the guitar belly.

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I'm a permanent beginner on the guitar, but I agree with your assessment completely. It's a headache with options on becoming a nightmare.

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the simplest vibrato is two steel plates clamped across the strings between bridge & tailpiece with a lever attached to the end; this

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should appear in the title, those in favour of this citing common usage and those against citing technical accuracy, and whether the term

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hello! I'm no expert on guitars by any means so I can't really weigh in on the incorrect vs correct debate, but maybe something like "

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The article is plenty long enough as is, but as is pointed out by others, there are still many significant systems omitted entirely.

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a DYNAMIC VIBRATO, and stamped those two words on all the tailpieces in capital letters! Maybe this was to better compete with the

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Tremolo is a variation in volume, not pitch? That's not how I understand tremolo. This is from the Knowledge article on "Tremolo":

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at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be

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at all; The section on these has been greatly expanded since the last rename. Other designs, notably the unit developed for the

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Ihave removed the following text from the article as it is worded in such a way as to be more appropriate for this talk page --

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Floyd Rose, the person, is referenced with a link. the problem is that it is a link to the Floyd Rose, the object, artical.

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points to Fender's patent application calling it a "tremolo", the Guitar Player article above mentions Fender's usage, and

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some authorities dislike the use of the historically common name on the grounds that the device cannot technically produce

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would be appreciated. Bear in kind that Knowledge talk pages are for improving Knowledge (rather than critiquing my essay

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which is easily fitted (even easier than blocking) and gives the strat trem a lot more stability while leaving it usable.

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units, you may find one you like and there's a design to fit anything that any Bigsby will fit, or more modern designs by

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that was available with up to six levers allowing the player to change pitch on one or more strings to preset intervals.

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designs with subsections for explanations? Once I've got the Tremstopper article taken care of, I'll see what I can do.

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I think a total rewrite of the article is in order... maybe in draft namespace? I don't want to create an inappropriate

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merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia.

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More interesting additions by anons. Good stuff, but I suspect that some of this material would be better moved to the

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Interesting... I don't doubt that some pipe organs may have used the device you describe, but I've never heard of it.

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its production (one of the two methods used in Leslie systems, the other being to move the loudspeakers themselves).

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That Guitar Player article is an excellent find... I don't know how I missed it in my many Googles of recent days.

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device... probably even more so. Its usage is far more general than that, and notably includes effects similar to

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is sometimes a bit hard to delineate. We don't insist on citing a source for the information that the sky is blue!

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The term is used interchangeably in the industry. Potential sources: the previous Fender post about these terms,

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I was once engaged to a violinist — she refused to let me get away with referring to pitch change as "tremolo."

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is a bit like a trem, in particular like the cam-driven systems, and all are probably best seen as derived from

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I consider the above definitions to be accurate. I will deliberate on how best to edit this entry accordingly.

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Many tremulants are variable, allowing for the speed and depth of tremolo to be controlled by the organist.

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is however a very standard effect on many styles of pipe organ. But that's a different mechanism entirely.

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It is also worth remembering that this particular encyclopedia has policies and guidelines as to what is

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to reform English on this matter. We need to very carefully source the claims and evidence either way.

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with

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be a bit of sliding of base plate on screws (as described in current article) and base plate on body.

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The full text is behind a paywall. I'd be very interested to see it but not $ 30 worth of interested.

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Mainly good suggestions. Now you and I and others can hopefully do the work on improving the article.

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Done. You're right, the grammar was a mess. Not altogether happy with the result but it's a start...

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So I've removed the term from the article, it doesn't seem to belong. Interested in any other views.

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at all well. And there's obviously demand for such a broad article, and people willing to write it.

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system. That is not a justification for subsequently referring to ALL vibrato systems as "bologna."

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tremolo simplified to reduce cost, it had little popularity, and as of 2005 was the only Leo Fender

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But step one is to get the facts sraight. Talk pages are a valid place to do this. Hope this helps.

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Anyway, though I see the "not all primary sources are bad" viewpoint, this is readily countered by

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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for any working muso of less than superstar status. But it may catch on, I've been wrong before.

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electric guitars sold have a vibrato system fitted), which I doubt, this article is worthy one.

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This is the latest proposal in a long history of discussion, and has been supported so far, see

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name for the article on the whammy bar (or may be), but that's not the issue I raise here.

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I get the impression it's a disaster! The trem (call it what you will) is more often used as a

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And the trick is, cite our sources. We can start with the myth that we are perpetuating that

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Hi Weeb Dingle, I welcome your suggestions and look forward to the additions and citations.

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guess. The impression is created that the device didn't exist AT ALL until Doc wandered in.

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claim was over the top... but I will point out that you provided no evidence to back up the

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Part of the reason for this may be the decline of the heavy vibrato effect in popular music.

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affects the sound production. But yes, I admit that's OR, we have no source to say (as our

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The electromech stuff was repurposed to church organs after appearing with the rise of the

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http://www.fender.com/guitars/jaguar/johnny-marr-jaguar-rosewood-fingerboard-olympic-white/

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The strings load from the front and wrap around the height adjustable string mounting bar.

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I don't have time to draft it right now, but I think this might be a good start? Cheers,

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But the most interesting issue it (sigh) raises again is the article scope and name. The

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OHO! My guess, following some more anon contribs, is that some people confuse the Fender

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the place to fix common usage, however irritating we may find it. We just document it.

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is an accurate name for something that is neither French nor toast. It may not be the

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article, not specific enough but I think it was fixable. But we should be consistent.

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to matter is if the strings stay intact most of the time, so bring on the 'stang trem.

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Someone please tell me who has ever called this a "waggle stick". Come on. Please.

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in knowing when this particular mechanism was produced. We have no provenance for it.

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the Kauffman-style design may be unique in that it could readily be adapted to other

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article (to which I referred you but obviously without re-reading it myself, my bad)

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The photo of such a mechanism provided in the article is indeed interesting. I'd be

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to describe the early whammy bar designs, it's simplistic to say that the terms are

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I'm sceptical that it will ever fully succeed. I think that those writing about the

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In the original design, this was based on the principle of the 'knife edge' balance.

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and not represented on this list) is a completely different design... it shares the

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I don't know about the Kahler and Stetsbar units, but the Floyd Rose is an improved

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The matter of moving bridges is more serious. Have you ever played a trem-equipped

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to regulate the wind supply, the other using it (although I would call it a moving

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because it lacks any references at all. All Knowledge articles need references to

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guitar and fits the trem arm not knowing it's blocked, but not everyone does this.

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that he always used a strat, but many youtubes of those songs show him using a

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for the best reference I could Google up... but I think you're right, the term

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defined as the Knowledge target audience. I try to err on the side of caution.

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are not completely banned, just so long as there's no interpretation of them).

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But it seems to me that it's far more important to get a good article on the

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then you may need to upload it to Knowledge (Commons does not allow fair use)

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happen at the screws. If I can word it right I will re-write this section.

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Such detail would put this halfway to being a properly encyclopedic article.

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For the article name any of the common names will do! Redirects are cheap.

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claim, which I had previously challenged, and that while, according to our

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http://www.warmoth.com/hardware/bridges/bridges.cfm?fuseaction=mustang_trem

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but I'm a 65yo and it probably shows) is a suitable topic for an article.

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a trailer is a vehicle supported by a wheel and towed by another vehicle

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in which they are still favoured was before the popularity of the term.

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is exactly what we want to avoid. It's the opposite of working towards

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mechanism for pipe organs. And when I first challenged this I did say

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Is it tre-MOLO or TREMO-lo? Can someone add a pronunciation guide?

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mentions, there are plenty of redirects from common terms in place (

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which seems to say the system was used with the modern (relatively)

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has been discussed at some length, both at Knowledge and elsewhere.

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It may also be used outside its socket for different effects, as in

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edit it myself except that I have no klew what it's trying to say.

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So far as I can tell, the common name over the years has just been

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subsection should be removed, and kept gone. While I too have the

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For now I'll just post this heads-up. Comments welcome of course.

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for it (same for singular or plural), some of which appear to be

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if it's subsequently included here, then mention must be made of

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Let's have a go at replacing the list with something accurate...

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Fender's incorrect usage might be to blame. Potential sources:

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don't lose it, but most do). That's my POV, even worse then OR.

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tags on this page, but the references will not show without a

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There is no doubt that some keen enthusiasts deplore the term

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see what the objection can be to having one! Does it fail the

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using a blade edge pivot but otherwise based on the strat trem

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When the first few decades of guitar catalogs used the terms

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when fitted to Gibson guitars, in both long and short form.

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accurate than focussing primarily on the lever or “arm”.

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alternately referred to as a whammy bar, vibrato bar, or

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Micro-Frets Calibrato? Locking tremolo before Floyd Rose?

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where has this "flap" method been used with pipe organs?

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Michael 8:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time April 13, 2005

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whangbars have appeared on electric basses for years:

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First a quick look at the six designs listed already.

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a

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talking about Fender's confusing usage of the terms.

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of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

4763:as the device produces many effects these days but 4482:It's technically not a tremolo. Potential sources: 2728:, please explain your reasons, taking into account 2595:If the image isn't freely licensed and there is no 1935:The article title should reflect what an apparatus 1696:

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4805:achieve the pitch bending and returning to tune. - 4249:Personally I agree with their objections to using 3863:, including flat-top, mandolin, banjo, & some 3709:I'm very sorry this has turned personal. Not good. 3054:does have some current usage according to Google. 3024:with arm-sleeve nylon insert to prevent arm swing. 986:In that no-one speaks, I've removed the sentence. 917:from inside a wikilink (admittedly a red one) and 3264:, care should be taken to avoid growing the meme. 3248:My opinion in this instance is that it should be 2983:design not available on any current Fender model. 1760:but might help understand what is going on here! 1754:http://tunings.pbworks.com/about-Fender-and-names 4825:lower the pitch and bend one way not the other. 3916:entirely overlooked are complex designs such as 3660:Lots more could be said. Thanks for discussing. 3645:may be complete rubbish. I could still be wrong. 3179:Fender could have named the Strat mechanism the 33:for general discussion of the article's subject. 4281:https://asa.scitation.org/doi/10.1121/1.5039846 3676:The "flap" method as employed in the vibraphone 3256:. We are kinda stuck with the confusion (check 558:http://talk.mxtabs.net/index.php?showtopic=1626 3034:even report the quirks of English accurately. 2565:File:Floating Tremolo on Fender Jazzmaster.jpg 2174:Agreed. Merge Tremstopper into this article.-- 587:"Tremolo is a musical term with two meanings: 4410:OK, I'm hereby challenging that claim, so it 3744:two very different mechanisms, one using the 174: 8: 2573:Media without a source as of 8 December 2011 2095:http://www.stewmac.com/tsarchive/ts0061.html 1644:are both variations of the 'strat trem. The 1503:, also belongs on the ist of basic designs. 704:IMO it at least scrapes in as encyclopedic. 4880:Low-importance musical instruments articles 2976:Article currently reads (just for example) 2400:does have a couple of outstanding problems. 1127:EVH's involvement in Floyd Rose fine tuners 272: 3752:in this sense, and our article calls it a 3319: 3290:Similarly, we should avoid the attempt to 3218:But you do have a point. Your comments on 2726:polling is not a substitute for discussion 2277:Fender Synchronised Tremolo and Knife Edge 405: 300: 225: 184: 4283:looks so promising but is disappointing. 3678:which you then mischaracterize by asking 368:Knowledge:WikiProject Musical Instruments 4875:Start-Class musical instruments articles 4484:an article in Guitar World claiming this 4205:device is just as wrong as calling it a 2795: 2072:Synchronised Tremolo "hidden knife edge" 1423:OK... ready to do something about this. 880:(a development of Floyd Rose, see below) 371:Template:WikiProject Musical Instruments 3874:is heavily associated with "old-timey" 3326:2600:1700:8420:DF20:9CCB:46EE:300B:E578 407: 302: 4779:they have succeeded in their campaign. 3911:, and there are other current designs. 3907:Hipshot has since ~2005 offered their 3894:played one, as shown on the jacket of 3767:and reed organ systems, probably this 3739:And I'm still sceptical that the term 3294:. We neither avoid it nor support it. 2604:This notification is provided by a Bot 1522:The Jag trem, first of the two Fender 4749:, and that term has no other meaning. 4033:, the current article does not cover 4030: 3819:explicit mention MUST be made of the 3385:The "flap" method as employed in the 3314:Electronic the only means of tremolo? 2990:Huh? The four Leo Fender designs are 2567:, has been nominated for deletion at 603:Michael 8:54 A.M. EDT April 13, 2005 7: 4820:Invention of floating tremolo credit 4775:a reason for our avoiding the term, 4510:here's another Guitar Player article 4231:by whatever name (I still call it a 3922:Here are photos of a four-arm BP-15. 3633:. The page I linked to is in my own 3441:Dunno about pipe organs, other than 2914:Likewise. The second syllable is an 2730:Knowledge's policy on article titles 2650:The result of the move request was: 2510:raised below. Feel free to add your 2188:Can we proceed with the merge now?-- 1962:"tremolo bar" - About 49,900 results 1959:"tremolo arm" - About 69,700 results 1951:"vibrato bar" - About 37,100 results 1948:"vibrato arm" - About 94,200 results 1876:The result of the move request was: 434:This article is within the scope of 348:This article is within the scope of 4838: 4682:So you may be right. Or otherwise. 3736:but you still provided no evidence. 3002:... even the two officially called 2599:then it cannot be uploaded or used. 2507: 1916:If you wish to rename the article, 967:system, the current article reads: 882:from the description of the Fender 291:It is of interest to the following 23:for discussing improvements to the 2829:, are rarely if ever described as 963:On the unpopularity so far of the 14: 4539:, this needs to be done properly. 4367:#More on accuracy POV and sources 2685:) 16:40, 29 December 2011 (UTC) 1476:A very old venerable design, see 4391:Article currently reads in part 4387:More on accuracy POV and sources 3629:of mine regarding critiquing my 3625:You seem to have misinterpreted 3415:But my query is, where has this 2556: 1401:Hmmm... and the Floyd Rose is a 1075:Or, check out the tremsetter at 723:Commendable attitude, just BTW. 670:. 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