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Actually, Davenport-Hines is right, and I was wrong. He returned to New York from 19 September through 30 September 1972 packing his books for the move to
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I've gone ahead and commented out the external link to the St. Louis
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This is a very apt comment. I've added some factual details. Auden's personal and emotional experience in his later years gets reported in different ways depending on the point of the view of the person reporting it, and the essay does not report on Auden's emotional state at any point in his life,
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Done. In fact, Auden spent almost no time organizing for the move. There are memoirs (one in the
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I've commented out a sentence about a memorial to Auden in his old college Christ Church because (1) it's not relevant to the "life" section where it was added (there's a reference to the far more significant memorial in Westminster Abbey elsewhere on the page); (2) it isn't a "burial site" (as it
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