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that volumes pro and con have been written about these things. The definitions are: Socialism-If you have two cows, you give one to your neighbor. Communism-If you have two cows, you give them to the
Government and the Government then gives you some milk. Fascism-If you have two cows, you keep the cows and give the milk to the Government; then the Government sells you some milk. New Dealism-If you have two cows, you shoot one and milk the other; then you pour the milk down the drain. Naziism-If you have two cows, the Government shoots you and keeps the cows. Capitalism-If you have two cows, you sell one and buy a bull."
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I mean, the original version's bias was ridiculously far to the right – as economic systems go, the New Deal system, being solidly capitalist, and less left-leaning even than the social-democratic systems in mid-to-late-20th-century Europe, is best classified as slightly right of centre at least. To
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I first heard these as a political cartoon hanging in my HS history teacher's room. The cartoon illustrated 5 or 6 political ideologies (communism, socialism, fascism, capitalism) with the 2 cows. The jokes had a cold-war slant, with capitalism being the punchline (...buy a bull!). I think one way
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The You have two cows article can actually be looked at as a huge example list of you have two cows jokes. It solves the problem of having a list in here yet gives examples of You have two cows jokes. I see no reason for it's removal just because it's from a site you don't find the majority of stuff
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The following definitions of isms, used in a political campaign in
Chicago some years ago, are obviously unorthodox, but they are unusually specific, anything but abstract, and of telegraphic brevity. The objection to them is simply that they have something to "sell," something else to condemn, and
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I confess, I'm neither a historian nor a political scientist, so certainly others know more about history and politology and the use of the "two cows" meme than I. That said, I offer this as a decent example of exactly what these parable thingies do, and a useful example of how they can be used to
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Sure, the parable is a simplification. But so is the Lander's version. Sure the parable takes a political stand, but so does the Lander's version. Lander's basically messages that
Capitalism is superior--debatable. This other messages the superiority of communism--also debatable. That is the exact
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page. Could the person wanting to nominate the article put it on the Wiki:FA canditates page and write there why s/he wants to nominate it? And then move the above notice as well to the article itself (where it should officially be)? Otherwise I'll remove the nominated notice. (By the way, I liked
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This article doesn't seem to actually tell us anything about the jokes - like where did they come from. By the nature of the joke, I would assume it comes from some time during the cold war, as it is essentially designed to show how bad other economic systems are, and ends with a clever bit which
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Well, mine was just a grumble. But it was not criticism of his political views, but of his ignorance (not just simplification; For starters, under "real" communism, you do not have two cows as a means of production: all means of production are common. What described in discussed the parable is a
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Knowledge, for the second time. This one was funnier than the first one a few months ago, but it's not appropriate for the article space. It's an in-joke that's unfunny to anyone but Wikipedians, it's a form of "original research" since it's presumably made up by the
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Granted the "two cows" jokes have been around a long time, but it seems to me that they are predated by other joke series -- if jokes that were being circulated on paper in the '80s are considered to have antedated the
Internet then the same must be said about jokes that were common on Usenet.
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Uncyclopedia in this article? What are we doing citing it in any article? Has anyone even LOOKED at the article on uncyclopedia? It adds nothing to the article, and it should be possible to find better, actually citable sources that help the reader understand the topic.
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I did find the enronism avenue of the americas article, but it is just a telling of a joke in an editorial page, not a discussion of the joke. The "Texan Bull" is a re-telling of the same Enron joke in the same
Financial Times publication. Again, no discussion of the joke, on a joke.
851:. If you'd prefer, there are quite a few of these that are (potentially) useful in the article they reference. Feel free to move them. Or perhaps just put them in a You have two cows/examples subpage. Please, though, don't just get rid of this list, a lot of it is entertaining. -
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Originally deleted the giant list of jokes, then added two examples back. I do not believe a list of... forty "two cow" jokes really helps Knowledge be an encyclopedia. I am removing them again, and upon re-addition without discussion, I will contact an admin for mediation.
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These are funny because they are realistic caricatures of various cultures, and the pervasiveness of such jokes stems from the significant cultural differences. They further say that others argue that such jokes present cultural stereotypes and must be viewed with
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to end constant edit wars with those wishing to add dozens of variations is to include an image illustrating the jokes. I couldn't find a copy of the one I remember online, but it would be relatively easy to recreate it (thus also avoiding any copyvio issues). --
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The following sources linked to pro quest where I have a subscription. "Guevarra, Argee", "Melnick, Rick", and "Insider Column. Thailand," I have tried searching the Authors name, tried to find the journal, and tried the Proquest document ID and nothing.
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Do we need to keep the last "contribution?" If it was posted by an American about Mexicans or Blacks, I would not be happy with the poster. Nothing currently in the article sinks to that level.
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This is sloppy-looking, ungrammatical and also terribly confusing for the reader, to whom it will also come across as POV. Someone familiar with the source material NEEDS to fix this, pronto.
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Richard M. Steers and Luciara Nardon in their book about global economy use the "two cows" metaphor to illustrate the concept of cultural differences. They write that jokes of this kind:
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the likes of Silas Strawn, FDR was evidently a commie, and "New Dealism" an intolerably extreme system, but with its global perspective, political science does not agree. --
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Pardon me, but all but the last reference all lead to www.proquest.com. The website has nothing to do with the actual article. Could someone please correct this?
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Okay, but we need at least ONE cow joke. We have the ridiculous situation of an article about a type of joke with no examples of the joke. This is ridiculous.
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Now it's just 'Two cows' but the French article has a much better caption: "Voici vos deux vaches…" "Here are your two cows..." (Tout sonne mieux en français.)
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drama from 1963. One character uses the 'two cows' political definitions in the episode 'Don't Stick Your Head Out', TX 14 October 1963.
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