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Here we see that towns with populations of at least 7,500 may establish a town council. The Act does not say, however, that a settlement of fewer than 7,500 is not a town, nor that a town without a council is not a town, either. Indeed, the
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What I'm saying is that we need an official standard. We can't go about deciding what is and isn't a town willy-nilly.
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Thank you for the amusing irony, Asarlaí. You chided me for using
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