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In each of these cases, the source has a "corporate author"; there is no author's name. What are the recommended ways to format these citations? How should the major citation templates support these? Do the citation templates need to be changed to support these? What should a parenthetical reference
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You need to use year=, not date=. It is possible to use arbitrary strings that do not look like four-digit numbers, as long as you call it a year. For instance, it is typical to use e.g. year=1977a and year=1977b to distinguish two papers by the same authors with the same publication years. I don't
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However, it would make more sense to list the location immediately following the newspaper -- the location refers to the where the newspaper is published, not where the agency is located. Where the agency goes in this case is less of a priority to me, as long as it is put somewhere logical. But the
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I agree with non-bolding. The volume number is not the most important part of the citation, so why show it in bold? Another possibility is that we could wrap the volume in a "span" with a CSS class, and allow people to define the formatting of this class however they want: as bold, italic,
2398:, but that's misleading: it's not a last name). Also, in the second example, I think it's enough to mention CNN once. As for shortened references – yeah, you have to invent some author, and I guess the corporate one (or its abbreviation) is a reasonable choice (but you may have to use the
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Ok, you're right, it's not the date-year thing. The harv template is producing reference CITEREFDoe1950.E2.80.9351 while the cite journal template is producing reference CITEREFDoe1950.26ndash.3B51. If you replaced – with the actual en-dash character I think it would work:
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Is there a way to make the "(in French)" and "(PDF)" parts in the 1st and 3rd references appear immediately after the contribution title, and not after the editor names? Is there a way to make the "in" appear in the 2nd case too where editor names are unknown? Thanks,
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2567:* {{Cite journal |first=Michael H. |last=Freedman |first2=Frank |last2=Quinn |title=Topology of 4-manifolds |journal=Some Journal |series=Princeton Mathematical Series |volume=39 |publisher=Princeton University Press |location=Princeton, NJ |year=1990}}
392:. Copy and paste is going to output spaces for the deleted section. FireFox 3.6/Win7 shows what appears as mdashes, as does Safari 5.0.2, IE9 Beta and Opera. My best guess it that the Mac is showing this as ndashes. This example uses the same output:
2564:* {{Cite journal |first=Michael H. |last=Freedman |first2=Frank |last2=Quinn |title=Topology of 4-manifolds |series=Princeton Mathematical Series |volume=39 |publisher=Princeton University Press |location=Princeton, NJ |year=1990}}
2511:* {{Cite journal |first=Michael H. |last=Freedman |first2=Frank |last2=Quinn |title=Topology of 4-manifolds |series=Princeton Mathematical Series |volume=39 |publisher=Princeton University Press |location=Princeton, NJ |year=1990}}
2508:* {{Cite book |first=Michael H. |last=Freedman |first2=Frank |last2=Quinn |title=Topology of 4-manifolds |series=Princeton Mathematical Series |volume=39 |publisher=Princeton University Press |location=Princeton, NJ |year=1990}}
2449:{{Cite book |first=Michael H. |last=Freedman |first2=Frank |last2=Quinn |title=Topology of 4-manifolds |series=Princeton Mathematical Series |volume=39 |publisher=Princeton University Press |location=Princeton, NJ |year=1990 }}
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Could other editors comment on this change of style proposal which would affect the rendering of the following templates: cite book. May need to effect: cite comic ; cite manual ; cite report ; cite encyclopedia.
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after the series name. If the volume number were omitted, then a dot "." would still be prepended before some other parameter instead. Perhaps consider hard-coding a bolded volume number after the series
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Harvard citations fail in the case of a reference date spanning a number of years, e.g. "date = 1950–51" where the dash is written as "–", because the CITEREF label generated by
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I don't care for the boldfaced book volumes much myself, so I think this is probably a good idea. But if it's done for these templates it should probably also be done consistently with citation as well.
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to generate "CITEREFDoe1950.E2.80.9351" when "–" is used for the publication year range? The hmtl entity "–" and the actual en-dash character could then be mixed freely, I suppose.
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The non-linear stuff while still nessasary would have to have some other way of dealing with it and as mentioned there is no stylation style that really deals with the issues of citing video games.
1147:, the year is extracted and used to form the anchor. Use of anything other than a properly formed full date will generally cause the parser to extract the year improperly, usually as a time. Using
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developer and publisher to be listed as "Developed by XXX." and "Published by XXX."? This is how the citations are done everywhere for video games. Also have entries for programmer, lead designer.
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for displaying "ed" or "eds". This looks like a problem, but I don't understand why the conditional was there so I'm not publishing the change. This came about as a result of a discussion at
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Why is this "adding more special-case processing"? I'm not asking for a "dot/no dot" parameter, but instead just to remove the dot. Or has this any purpose I don't see, the way it is now? —
2847:. That example you brought up is the rare exception that much rather deserves that "hard-coding work-around" you suggested above. In most cases, books with volume and series look like:
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Chicago 16 isn't available online, but remembering reading from
Chicago 14 or so, they stipulate 3 em dashes for authormasks for repetition; not some hacked up struck through space.
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Workaround: {{Cite book|last=Hore|first=Peter|authormask=——|title=Battleships|year=2006|location=London|publisher=Lorena Books|isbn=9780754814078|oclc=56458155}}
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isan - ??? Not sure. I don't know what code US uses offhand. One for the US should be added as it is still the second largest producer of commercial video games
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Citation/core folks are giving up on these issues (i.e. position of language and format information, dependence of "in" on editor availability)!
141:. Please do wash your dishes. Please do check ALL the output of this template. It is everywhere everywhere across Knowledge, and it frankly looks amateurish. •
2662:, it looks to me as if the request is to format the book-published example as if it were a journal article. I'm thinking that this might best be done by using
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see any reason why year=1950–51 shouldn't also work, as long as you write it the same way in both the year= field of the cite template and the harv template. —
2561:. Without it, the title is considered as a main title and italicized. With it, the title is considered a short work and in quotes. The output then differs:
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Platform (wasn't listed above...i think language replaced it accidentally). Basically it would just need to be a non-italicized portion ending in a period.
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These look right to me, but I am not an expert. I was hoping to find a definitive answer, because I would like to improve the anchor used when parameter
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or shortened footnote for these sources look like? Finally, what is the proper term for these citations? (i.e. is "corporate authors" the right term?)
2063:, Harris; Butcher & Morton et al., "Command user interface for displaying selectable software functionality controls", published February 16, 2006
2917:. Volume 6: Working at Home." That could be a different parameter such as "volume-name" beyond parameter "volume". Any objections to those changes? -
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No. The situation is as bad as I thought it is: I should have written "year =" where I wrote "date =". Sorry. Here is an example:
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Freedman, Michael H.; Quinn, Frank (1990). "Topology of 4-manifolds".
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