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1565:. Those tests don't turn up any problems, but they don't look comprehensive. The sandboxed fix to the reverted change seems to work OK, but I'd appreciate some more eyes on it. If nobody objects, I'll go live with the replacement in a few days. Trial-by-fire quickly turned up problems which testing hadn't caught the last time around ā maybe that's what we have to rely on.
812:. It only seems to be possible to do this using external rather than internal links, or by having a link after the template call. Is there an elegant way for this to be added - perhaps by having a wikisource= parameter? (Caveat that linking to other wikisource langugages should be possible...) Thanks.
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with contribution=, title=, and url= has the link on the contribution, not the title. Most often that combination means a paper in a conference proceedings, or a chapter in an edited volume, so the contribution is the right anchor for the link. I suspect that title/chapter of cite book go through the
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I attempted to fix that problem. This might cause template uses where "volume" was used for series number to break. Ideally I'd suggest these two uses of "volume" be either fully segregated, or the "multivolume" use be phased out (In formatting, bolding that is dubious outside a few specialist uses,
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Using one parameter for more than one use will eventually cause trouble at some point. It leads to confusing documentation, conflicts about proper formatting, and prevents people from being able to use both functions at once. Additionally, the extra period would be incorrect formatting for a thesis,
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Volume is frequently used for series number, in my experience. In fact, most of the time that I use series= I also use volume= in conjunction with it. So, this change, which was not discussed and was not tested in the sandbox, breaks the formatting of a large fraction of the instances of citation
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There's some funky CSS3 in commonPrint.css which adds the url of external links after their text display in print mode, which unsurprisingly IE fails miserably at implementing. The second url is added in the cite templates themselves with a simpler show-only-in-print-mode that IE can understand.
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Citations should be divided, ordered, and numbered into sections and then Other1, Other2, Other3, etc. should be able to substitute for the section. For example if Author Date Title
Accessdate is the format, there are four sections. Other2 could substitute for "Date." resulting in Author Other2
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These are renderings of *{{Citation |last1=last1 |editor1-last=editor1-last |coauthors=coauthors |accessdaymonth=accessdaymonth |accessmonthday=accessmonthday |accessday=accessday |accessmonth=accessmonth |accessyear=accessyear |day=day |accessdate=accessdate |dateformat=dateformat }}
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At the same time? Why? It would seem that the higher-level templates could each be implemented in the new way in sequence, no longer passing TitleURL, until it was irrelevant whether Core implemented it, at which time it could be removed with no disruption. Am I missing something?
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I thought about doing that but wimped out. I'm a bit gun-shy after causing a problem with the recent coauthors changes. Looking at this code always gives me a headache, but if anything comes of twiddling the code in my userspace I'll sandbox it and mention that here.
1520:. I sandboxed a test version adding a pipe char for the not-satisfied case in my added conditional, thinking that might be the problem, but that didn't fix it. I've been staring at the code and can't see the problem. Could someone else please take a look?
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If there are no objections, I'll go ahead and add the "type" parameter tomorrow. This will allow us to properly cite a thesis or dissertation, according to APA style (and prevent confusion from using one parameter for more than one purpose).
960:{{citation |author=R. Nave |title=Confinement of Quarks |url=http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Particles/quark.html#c6 |work=] |publisher=], Department of Physics and Astronomy |year= |accessdate=2008-06-29 }}
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and moved up to the higher-level templates which use it. I think that makes more sense requirements-wise, but doing it that way would need the changes in all the templates to be rolled out at the same time.
667:{{cite journal |last=Holliday |first=C.R. |year=1976 |title=Typhoon JuneāMost Intense of Record |journal=Mon. Wea. Rev. |volume=104 |pages=1188ā1190 |doi=10.1175/1520-0493(1976)104<1188:TJIOR: -->
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Accessdate. This could come in useful for example for unclear dates where one might want to substitute an approximation like "." I'm not sure how to do that currently using the template.
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There's been a suggestion, which I think is a good one, that an optional parameter be added to allow this behavior to be overridden. How about adding support for an optional parameter named
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Yes, the errors that I noticed are clearing; in some cases a purge was necessary, but the fact that this revert has cured it is a definite indicator that the original edit was the cause. --
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The URL is repeated twice. I tried this on a laptop with FF 3.5 with no add-ons. I do have custom CSS and JS, so I tried logged out with the same results. IE8 on the other hand, shows:
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The documentation is missing the PS parameter. It seems cite journal passes in the postscript as this one, is it enough to copy the documentation from cite journal for postscript?
829:{{cite journal | title = ] | first = Edward S. | last = Holden | authorlink = Edward Singleton Holden | journal = ] | volume = 8 | month = January | year = 1876 | pages = 269ā281}}
215:{{#if: {{{Type|}}}| ({{{Type}}})}} immediately before the handling of the Series parameter (or immediately before the Edition parameter if that gets moved per the thread above).
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It's only really possible for unnamed parameters (which are numbered; not having names, there is no means of reading them except by their numbers); but all the parameters of
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I assert that there is currently a problem in that the coauthors field is not rendered by the current version of citation/core. I suggest that this problem should be fixed.
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2332:*{{Citation/core/sandbox |Periodical=Periodical |URL=URL |Title=Title |IncludedWorkTitle=IncludedWorkTitle |IncludedWorkURL=IncludedWorkURL |TitleURL=TitleURL }}
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and done some ad-hoc testing. It seems to work. I seem to recall that there was a testing suite somewhere for this ā does anybody know where that might be?
1659:^ a b c d e Dr Keith Dakin-White, 'History of Strand School, 1875-1913', written for MA in Science Education, Chelsea College, University of London, 1984
342:, with proper documentation. I'm worried that otherwise in future we will see strange citations such as "other contributors: (PhD Thesis)" if people edit
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models. The backend is fairly crude, and does not use this template, and I was hoping someone good with template syntax could improve it for us. Thanks,
1008:. Georgia State University, Department of Physics and Astronomy. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsuedu/hbase/Particles/quark.html#c6. Retrieved 2008-06-29.
996:. Georgia State University, Department of Physics and Astronomy. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsuedu/hbase/Particles/quark.html#c6. Retrieved 2008-06-29.
1653:^ a b c d e Thomas White, 'History of Strand School, 1875-1913', written for MA in Science Education, Chelsea College, University of London, 1984
297:*{{cite book |last=Doe |first=John |year=2010 |title=Title of work |others=(PhD thesis) |location=Knoxville |publisher=University of Tennessee }}
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There may be other problems, but I'm not sure what they might be. Can anyone clarify this (preferably via examples such as the above)?
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with one or more parameters selectively removed. I'd appreciate more eyes on this and comments about it or fixes for problems with it.
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and, if the cite concerns a specific encyclopedia article, expects the title of that article to be specified in a parameter named
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I would like to propose adding a "type" parameter, so that we can correctly cite a thesis or dissertation (per APA). For example:
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and makes volume titles awkward. Plus I don't think it's used for COinS, but series number is, I believe).
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I reverted the edit and after purging the page I noticed this problem on everything is working normally.
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R. Nave. "Confinement of Quarks (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsuedu/hbase/Particles/quark.html#c6)".
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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I have fiddled with some of the post-title elements. The order previously went
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a few questions were raised, and one of them seems to come from this template.
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You don't need any special parameter for that, you can use something like
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OK, I've sandboxed a first cut at changes to add support for an optional
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2268:. We also have to figure out how we'll handle the URL changes for the
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as a convenient way to source the technical specifications of legacy
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with the editor preceded by "in", as though it were the publication?
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without paying attention to possible abuse of the "others" field. ā
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that it affects. I'm reverting until we can discuss it properly. ā
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1678:. I don't think there is any problem with this template. āĀ Martin
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series information in books? (ETA: It will ALSO get pushed by the
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to reflect this; someone will fix my error if I've got it wrong.
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The reason I posted the question here instead of echoing it from
551:{{cite paper | title = Studie | format = PDF | language = Czech}}
1138:ā, but it should be āEditor, ed. (Now)ā. This was reported at
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Intense of Record".
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For what it's worth, I would currently put in under "others".
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You're right I must have had my thinking cap on sideways.
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Specifically, I would like to insert the following code:
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Could you work up some example code in the sandbox? I
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The citation in question isn't using any template. ---
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Alternatively, this processing could be moved out of
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2585:is always output if present, and is independent of
309:. (PhD thesis). Knoxville: University of Tennessee.
1674:I suspect this is something you should discuss on
288:Other details to be inserted in a particular place
2211:can be made more straightforward by removing it.
2203:That would render the special processing done in
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1489:is specified, then the editors are not rendered.
251:That might well be the easiest solution. Whereas
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2153:At that point, wikitext cites could use the new
1055:Are you saying the URL should display twice? ---
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114:Is there any specific reason for Edition to go
2190:if it is desired to have that associated with
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1936:at a low level while working on things like
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2057:? Once this parameter becomes available in
218:This change was suggested by discussion at
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888:Thank you; I should have thought of that.
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1899:I'm not sure, but it is intended that a
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517:parameter is specified (e.g. when using
151:Information sources in the life sciences
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