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Soviets became part of the Allies after (btw. just Allied recognition is not decisive or binding in general, but the two case is totally different by many other aspects and whereabouts, as these recognitions rapidly changed over
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Sudetenland question was settled in 1938 by the Munich agreement, after by the proclamation of the Slovak state the state ceased to exist in March 1939. After, Hungary annexed eastern parts, while the next day the Protectorate was proclaimed following the negotiations
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Sudetenland, the Protectorate, the Slovak State and Hungary. However they are still all part of Czechoslovakia history, see for instance how that term is used in main article
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That's your opinion. Others argue that there is an interrupted history for these countries that temporarily disappeared or changed form during WWII. Anyway, the template (just like
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here must be a misundertanding, these are beyond my opinion, these are facts, we have clear date when the
Czechoslovakia ceased to exist, as well when the goxt-exile-was formed, also recognition issues are clear (explained), the state was reestablished in 1945, it the so-called "acceptance" of
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it is true that WP is not perfect, but we should tend to it. These examples are not truly akin, as explained above, moreover this is a template. Such country like
Czechoslovakia did not exist in this period - and not because of WWII - since it ceased before, however was reestablished
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