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If you want to change the portrait photo in the heading, please ensure you use a professionally taken portraiy photo, where possible. At some point a user inserted a random photo taken of
Sanders at a rally during the middle of a sentence, featuring a very odd pained/surprised expression on his face.
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Ahh, okay that was a misunderstanding: I thought you were doing that on purpose. My apologies. Okay, well I'm happy enough to leave your new image for now if you keep the endorsements. I'd like to get the opinion of some photography experts on which is the superior photo: I'd suggest that we enlist
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Okay, I've accepted that we should leave out the endorsements, and have edited the
Hillary Clinton article to match. However, you need to get consensus before changing the picture. Your reason for changing it, as stated by your edit summary was "Image looks better against its blue background and is
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Please consider my all of my points rather than picking the ones that you can best argue with. Before reverting my edit agian, please consider my other points and form a consensus. (I.e., form a consensus as opposed to reverting). "ooks better against its blue background" is only one of the reasons
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Pictures used in the 2016 general election article should not be used in sidebars, see other candidates for example. Also, the picture used was taken by Gage
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Okay, let's leave it as was originally until we reach consensus. The original photo was specifically taken as a portrait, whereas the image you've found is a photo taken while talking. When seeking a portrait photo, a portrait photo should be used when available. The new image you've found isn't a
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I wasn't picking and choosing any argument at all: I was stating one of the two reasons you gave for changing the photo in the first place: "Image looks better against its blue background and is more up to date". The first reason is completely spurious. The second reason is splitting hairs: The
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Sanders hasn't changed visibly since then. The guideline about using recent photos is intended to avoid people using photos from 10 years ago, during which time the subject's look may have changed dramatically.
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The photo you've switched it meets very few of the requirements for portraits. The original photo meets all of them.
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