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article's talk pages, and no one wanted to help revise the rough draft. I got a very small handful of users that gave positive comments, and no negative comments, so after waiting a week, I let it go live. I really wish others would have been involved in the creation of this (or at least spoken up earlier if people thought that it was not needed). But, now that it is live, more people can see it, and more people are welcome to edit and change it and make it even better. (The reason I feel the old template was bad is because it felt more like something that went on talk pages, not in the main article, and I felt that
Eastern Christianity should have a box similar to the Anglicans and Methodists). I apologize if I was too bold in the creation of this, but hopefully an even better template will be produced over the coming days (and weeks). Feel free to change or remove whatever you want. Like I said, I got most of my content from
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then again the ones listed in the Portal aren't much better (if you didn't notice, I trimmed out a good number of people listed on the portal). I think maybe having a list of either famous historical figures and/or a list of the current highest figures of maybe the 5 largest churches would probably be best. Slightly off topic, when going through the articles that transcluded this template, I found a number of lists of
Patriarchs of different sects and regions. I'm not sure if that could ever be turned into a template or not, but I think for organizational purposes I think I will work on a list of lists, and maybe start a new category (if one doesn't already exist). --
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Oriental Orthodoxy. But it will need to be greatly edited, and I propose changing the template image as well. Currently, this template uses a historical Eastern Orthodox icon as its image. I propose something that can serve as a more universal symbol of Eastern Christianity, such as
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article points out, the term "Eastern
Christianity" refers to several distinct traditions and Churches that are only grouped together by Western Christians. When this template was created, in 2005, I imagine that Knowledge (XXG) did not have enough articles about these various different traditions to
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is listed separately, as a communion in and of itself. This is technically accurate, because although the Mar Thoma church descends from the OO tradition, it is currently in schism from the main body of
Oriental Orthodoxy, and not in communion with any other church. But the problem is, the Mar Thoma
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Christianity isn't exactly my fortee, so I think I have gotten myself a bit over my heels on this. Hopefully something usefull and productive, not only to this project, but to the readers of wikipedia, will come from all this. I agree the people listed are sort of random, but
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And now the last stage of this project is done. I have edited the
Eastern Christianity sidebar to focus on the topics that are relevant to Eastern Christianity in general, as opposed to those that are relevant only to a specific Eastern Christian communion. The old version of this template was a
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The difficulty is in selecting a balanced list of links. The list of church communions is pretty good, and the "Background" section is pretty good, as well. I'm not sure that a list of people could ever be balanced enough, though with some honing, the list of theological distinctives might be
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ten days ago. Later that day, I made a rough draft based on the articles listed at
Eastern Christianity portal. I went around posting and asked for input. I went to half a dozen different Christian project pages, I went to the Eastern Christianity portal, I went to the big Eastern Christianity
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Well, after thinking about this for several years, and working a little bit on and off in my sandbox, I think I will go ahead with this project. The current
Eastern Christianity template should continue to be used as well, for articles that do not fall strictly within the scope of the Eastern
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Gah, sorry about that. I'm trying to go through all the articles that included the old template and repositioning it so the format looks good, and it doesn't seem like I have any help on that. But, I can go through that category and do as you said, because this mistake was my fault to begin
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per se, but rather a single independent Church which has existed in various forms for some 1600 years, and split during the 1960s in two factions. Because the split is so recent, I think it makes more sense to list these two factions together in some way, for example in a line that says
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is done, I propose that we take a look at which articles are left with this
Eastern Christianity template (i.e. which articles cannot be easily said to concern primarily the EO Church or the OO Churches), and reorganize this template to focus on the topics covered by those articles.
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I've been thinking about the "communions" tab on this sidebar... For a long time, it listed four main communions: The Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, the Eastern Catholic churches, and the Church of the East. The latter one is, of course, not so much a
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So, over the next days and weeks, I plan to gradually replace this Eastern Christianity sidebar with the EO sidebar on those articles that are EO-specific. After I create an OO sidebar I will do the same on the articles that are OO-specific. And after
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more-or-less random mix of topics related to Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy - and they were not the most important topics either, but an odd combination of major and minor subjects. They are included in their own respective sidebars now.
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Ok here are some categories that are found on other boxes to get an idea of what we could include: Background, Doctrinal distinctives/Beliefs/Philosophy, People, Largest groups/Churches, Related movements, Influences, Liturgy and Worship, History,
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Looks like all the excess pages have been cleared up (at least on my end it looks that way). I am also to blame for the same mistake at the Anglican template. My bad. At least I can call this a learning experience, heh. Sorry for the
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or that it be deleted altogether. Knowledge (XXG) just isn't ready for it yet. Perhaps it can come back as templates limited to Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, the Assyrian Church, etc. What do other folks think?
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small Eastern Christian bodies in schism that could technically represent separate communions in and of themselves. Should we list them all? That would make the sidebar enormously cluttered, not to mention giving
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justify making a template for each of them, so a common one was created instead. But now, I think we could create templates for the Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, etc. similar to
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I trimmed the template considerably, but I still think much needs to be done. Unfortunately, what needs to be done is not so much with this template as with what it could potentially link to.
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Why are the names of all the Oriental Orthodox Churches in the Tradition list(expt. Syrian Orthodox) Shouldn't There just be Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, and Syriac Christianity? -
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My opinion is that this template ought to be rendered inactive (removed from articles) until it can link to good overview articles. At this point in the development of articles on
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Is it possible for this template to display in a collapsed format. It takes up a lot of room, and, especially in briefer articles leaves little if any room for images. Thanks.
276:, I feel this template should be re-written in a manner which reflects the format of these other boxes. Maybe we could start coming up with a list of links for the template?--
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