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265:, and then use the advice provided above to make that page more reasonable in size. Also, please link to the discussion that led to the decision to add this new "Simple help page" template to all of these pages. That discussion should show a consensus among editors that this brand new template is desired because it will help solve a problem, and that the brand new template should be applied to a large number of pages. As it says on the edit request template, 956: 668: 869: 802: 1073: 433:
I think part of what we're seeing here is that the question of how much scrutiny is needed for edit notice changes is somewhat unanswered. They've traditionally gotten a lot because they're highly protected, but my understanding is that that protection is more for technical reasons than due to any
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Thanks for the advice. I filed them separately since it was slightly easier to submit that way and I wasn't sure it'd be any easier or harder to implement than clumping them together. If it's the case that it's harder, I can certainly submit them as a clump in the future. And if you or anyone else
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template to two pages and was going to do the rest after a meal. Then I returned and saw this discussion, and I guess I just don't see what exactly is controversial about adding that template to appropriate pages. Could you please elaborate?
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major sensitivity. I'd suggest that an appropriate way to think about changing a page's editnotice might be as roughly one step above changing the banners at the top of the talk page in terms of level of discussion/consensus needed.
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is a simple version of a more advanced page, but it's on an advanced enough topic that by the time someone comes across it, we can very much hope they'll know not to try asking their question or testing an edit on the help page
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I have to be straightforward with you: your comment comes off as a bit patronizing given the context. While I am always open to feedback, I do not understand where you have gotten the impression that I have yet
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This switches the current notice to a template (so that it can be edited for all the Help:Intro pages simultaneously) and adds an edit notice to help fight
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as, given that page has a wider audience, it is possibily a little more controversial and will need a specific consensus (or at least no one objecting) on
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Comfortable with it, yes, however since Martin has also left an opinion, I will defer to the need for more discussion before making any more changes.
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would you mind combining your requests into one, which can then be put on hold pending the outcome of the current discussion? Thanks — Martin
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has received no new comments in the past two weeks, and the current !vote count is 6 support/2 oppose, so there appears to be consensus.
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If you're comfortable with it, please go ahead. It just seemed like a signficant change to me, and I was unable to find a discussion. –
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Please link to the discussion that led to the decision to add this new "Simple help page" template to all of these pages. Thanks. –
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Edit requests to template-protected pages should only be used for edits that are either uncontroversial or supported by consensus.
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needs a better name; the current one is a subpage of a non-existent page and therefore technically subject to speedy deletion.
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by purely submitting approved EPERs? So if the logic is correct, then submitting enough FPERs is enough to pass
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to demonstrate a pattern of good decisions related to template editing (or template edit requests)
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this is absurd. Don't you know you can make multiple TPERs (or any ER) on one page? Simiply do
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Just something to note the next time you need to make a multi-page edit request.
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isn't really about editing, so it's unlikely to be mistaken for a sandbox, and
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so maybe wait a few days to confirm that this is not controversial? — Martin
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I would also prefer to see a little more discussion. There is a post at
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Please replace the copied and pasted notice with the template version,
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are looking for a centralized place to have discussion, that's at
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still doesn't exist, so the name with the colon is just as bad.
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instead of including both in each individual editnotice. Also,
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Numbers are definitely not going to help. How does one become
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Regarding the name, it should be moved back to the original
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by purely submitting approved SPERs? How does one become
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Template talk:Editnotices
WP:CREEP
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talk
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See what I did here
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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Help Project#New editnotice to help fight WP:CREEP
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04:43, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
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04:00, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
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