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of the region's history (the political history, if you will), but not the topic-specific articles. That's what I think this template should do. Could we perhaps convert to the region history template and include only the links that are to the specific periods in state history (French/Spanish/Mexican/Republic of Texas, Civil War, State)?
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We All-Things-Texas people have built-in instincts about related Texas subjects, those things being taught to us from the moment of birth as a Texan (natural born, or transplanted). Before we natural born ones ever set foot in a school room, most of us could cite facts about Texas - football teams,
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Mcorazao, I understand this proposed template to be an example for the moment. Correct? I think you have a good template expansion idea. It just wouldn't be Texas without that Oil Boom category. Maybe WikiProjectTexas could work a little consistency by renaming some individual Wiki pages that are
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