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My rule of thumb for what should go in an infobox is whether or not it is essential for a concise summary of the key characteristics of the subject. I believe that divisional, conference, and league titles are key characteristics to summarize an NHL team. I do not believe that retired numbers are key
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If you have the coding skill to turn it to a switch then by all means have at it. I just didn't think it was that big a deal. To me the puck with the clock just means season. But I agree to many it probably means current season. I personally like it being first so that its consistent with every NHL
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Honestly, sorta partial towards retaining all three, but if were reducing things for the sake of minimalism, I'd be okay with just removing divisional titles (I don't think its even really a thing the League really takes note of). But I'd argue that both the
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I don't support this proposal either. Bottom line, the current infobox setup is more useful as it is currently constructed than what is being proposed; as this proposal would cause greater information loss and be less useful to most editors and readers. Now as far as retired numbers go we already
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While the teams might not hang banners for them, it is critical information to put into an infobox about a team. Division/Conference titles are arguably some of the most important information about a team behind of course the
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Yes, I object because the common usage is "Stanley Cups". The vast majority of times news articles mention how many times a team has won the
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Actually, after some testing in my userspace, the
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infobox item. The only reason it appears first for non-historic franchises makes sense: the reader will frequently want to navigate to the current season article. But for historic franchises, the icon usage and the link position both make no sense. —
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use the phrasing "The Devils have reached the
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I am not exactly sure how to go about making this change, but teams don't win "Stanley Cups", as there is obviously only one
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I made this template page so that I would have an opportunity to actually test this template out 'in the field', so to speak, and see what the response would be. At the time of this comment, the template is only being used on the
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I've no problem with "Montreal has won the
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I think it would be handy to have a link at the end of the infobox to link to each team's official website. I mean, I really don't see any reason why would shouldn't have this. Thoughts?
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Retired numbers are far more important than division titles to most franchises. Should at least include those as well if we're going to keep division titles.
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Hello, there is a discussion of city / location support (equivalent to this template) in which you might be interested, here:
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