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Autobiography shouldn't be included here either. I'm nor proposing we treat them like the same series, but rather as two facets of a larger franchise. It would be nice if there was a greater "snicketverse" (not that I propose we use this term) heading to encompass the two series and two supplemental books. Then there could be a subcategory for ASOUE, one for ATWQ, and one for
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To be honest, I don't think that's a good idea. Yes, they are related, but they're different series set in different genres, with different characters and in different locations. The only common character is Lemony
Snicket — who is merely a narrator in ASOUE, but a central character (and a child) in
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The Dismal Dinner wasn't a book, it was more of a set of four little cardboard cut-outs on the back of
Lunchables. However, I don't see where else to put it if we keep the article on it, unless we decide to merge it with the main ASOUE article or perhaps with 13 Shocking Secrets into some kind of
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I politely disagree. First, Snicket is not the only common character. Kit
Snicket appears in all of the books, as do other VFD members who were adults in ASOUE (Hector in the first book, Widdershins in the second book, for example). By the reasoning you present, it seems The Unauthorized
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Villain/Volunteer speculation, there isn't much importance around him. Surely the
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