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could simply rely on right-clicking a navbox reference to spawn that navbox into a 2nd browser window. By spawning navboxes, those links occur only on the navbox menu page. For
Template:Months, by changing the template to spawn a days-navbox, the wikilinks could be reduced to about 10 (rather than 386), to generate about 4180 total links, rather than the current 161,348 propagated links. The net improvement would be 157,000 fewer links for the Knowledge (XXG) page-link database(s). Plus, users would see navboxes as small, centralized menu windows, not a section scrolled down at the bottom of various article pages. -
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relevant links (the month-day links) from stuff that practically everyone already knows. Links like those only add value for a tiny minority of readers, and actively put some readers off clicking on links because they find they end up at a page that's completely useless to their purpose in reading that template. If anyone really wants to learn about the calendar, they wouldn't be looking at a table of 'events on month-day' links to do it.
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should be on there since that date has actually been used, and since the template is only used on the date and month articles, I don't see a reason to leave off the ones that actually have articles, and it also seems kind of silly to have the template on a page that doesn't include the article on it.
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Propagating links with navboxes can be avoided by using a navbox-reference to connect the live navbox-links only as a 2nd-article navbox, or a spawned navbox as a menu in a 2nd window of the browser. Although websites have the option to automatically spawn a new menu window, Knowledge (XXG) articles
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WP has a general principle of not linking anything and everything just in case someone might find it useful - we link only to places that the reader might reasonably find helpful. Both overlinking and underlinking are harmful: overlinking is a problem because the reader can't immediately distinguish
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The italics were used before for dates like
January 0, which doesn't really exist but is used in certain calculations, and February 30, which actually occurred but only twice. February 29 is a perfectly standard date, and doesn't need to be differentiated from the others. I've removed the italics.
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I would like to add a special note about the parentheses around
February 29. They make it take up more space, not less, meaning that it can suggest that that day is superior, not inferior, to other days. (Specifically, "(29)" is a total of 4 characters; the (, the digits 2 and 9, and the ). On the
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I've converted the template to navbox, which is what has been done with almost every other footer template. The version before
Quiddity's had very little white space and I've reverted to that. Navbox allows a standard look all across Knowledge (XXG), it is simpler, and most importantly, it is
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The purpose of this template is to provide navigation to the full set of month-day articles. It's not there to provide links to basic calendar terms such as 'month', 'day', year', or the 12 month names. I suggest that all these should be delinked, just leaving the month-day links.
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Just a comment to throw into the mix-- I learned about the
Doomsday method because I was curious about "March 0" on this template several months ago. I'm really glad I stumbled across that article-- it's been really useful! So for what it's worth, I'd vote to keep the 0s in.
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I think a see also line would be disruptive. I don't have strong feelings either way but I wouldn't expect to see those dates in a regular calendar, why here? If they are included, perhaps they should be distinguished by being in italics (as some are). --
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I get it. I wonder if there is a way to keep links that are in a template from showing up in what links here - or maybe there's a hack for this case. It's really the template that should be in what links here, not every page that the template is on. --
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During 2007, large navigation-boxes were added to more than 50 thousand articles, where each navbox propagated wikilinks to each article, generating millions of extra links in the
Knowledge (XXG) page-link database(s). The resulting "overlink crisis" (or
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I was never quite sure how the
Template:MonthsSource was used. It seems to me that it is not usable on its own but needs to be wrapped in something like Template:Months does. Can it be used standalone? Template:Months is a nice wrapper. --
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Those 161,348 links are stored (after the servers are updated) into the
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Why can't the purpose be both? The usability or layout of the template isn't any worse because of these links, and some people may be interested in them. Delinking them makes th template less useful, with no benefit.
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started as 12 month-name links in 2004, but grew after
October 2006, to have 386 wikilinks, more than 32x times the original count. By Jan. 2008, Template:Months had been linked into 418 pages, generating:
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The pages don't cover just the
Gregorian calendar, though, since they include plenty of events from before 1582, and the only difference between the Julian and Gregorian calendars is the leap-day rule.
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I see no reason to make such changes to the template. And since the most important stated reason for making the change turns out to be false, no need for change. --
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During 2004 and 2005 (and most of 2006), the template really was, true to the name, links only to 12 months, displayed as a one-row table. On 24 October 2006, the "
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Looking at it, we could easily merge Template:MonthsSource into Template:Months. I like the way the latter looks. I think that merge would go very smoothly. --
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It's a real date. It's a special date for obvious reasons. The attributes of 'superiority' and 'inferiority' don't seem to be relevant(?)
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