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real at-a-glance value to these icons (such as there is in putting a flag icon in the header of some nationalist navboxen) then I could see a counter-argument, but this template is already vastly too intricate for its own good and we could do with significantly simplifying it. This was a simple way to do that without losing any information.
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Nearly a kilobyte of extra code (putting it another way, nearly 10% of the total footprint!) to add two tiny icons of no encyclopedic value. We do not put images inline with the section headers of articles, nor randomly in the course of text, and there's no need for an exception here. Were there some
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Also a possibility, although I think they make a distinction between their "employees" and their freelance contributors, which range from John Avon and Chippy to Mike Flores and The Ferret. Also to be future-compatible with bio articles we might anticipate being written, it seems like we want a more
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Zendikar section of the Navbox. It's basically what was done with the Lorwyn/Shadowmoor block, too. Also while consistency is nice I would not be too strict here as this navbox will lend itself less and less to the kind of consistency you desire. If you feel
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is a wreck, but I'd rather leave that to someone who can keep Urza and Teferi straight. We'll say that I'm less than enthusiastic about the novels. Anyway, I'll let you call the shots on opening discussion and moving the template when the time is right. BTW, am I correct in assuming that you've
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It's transcluded instead of substituted, so I'm not terribly worried about how complex the template code is. Nothing really comes to mind immediately to simplify it, either, since it basically just makes use of another existing template family. If you've got any suggestions, feel free, but I'm
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Is the artist subsection in this template comprised of some random Magic artists? It certainly feels like that. If that is the case I propose to make up a subsection in
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today, but it's clearly not a normal set as they still have several years before they get to the end of the currently listed codenames. Most likely explanation is that it's going to be their new multiplayer thing, ala
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I'm very much in the "don't customise the navbox unless absolutely necessary" camp; it's a means to an end (getting people to related articles) and not a
Christmas tree to stuff full of baubles. And I'm a big fan of keeping navigation one level deep and using more domain-specific navboxen on
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I have taken some time to clean this up, delete stuff which is overall irrelevant to the game. I want to strive to keep only globally important links in this box, so the "Planes" heading only contains plains which entire sets have taken place on on. Other planes get their spot on the
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box as a single field, since there weren't enough entries to divide it. C mon has correctly (I think) deemed that the box has grown enough for division, and has been so cool as to offer up a pretty reasonable means of classifying its contents (and add
Richard Garfield, who, um,
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I went ahead and added in the list, but not any more artists. I don't know well enough which are the most important. If there's any you feel are missing, feel free to make changes or suggest specifically what you'd like done. Cheers.
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