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22: 135: 77: 53: 87: 288:, I could ask why don't you try to reach a consensus before adding it? The band was on stage when the attacks happened, yes. Many things were happening at the same time, but this is a template that should link to the main related events and concepts, and these are just people who happened to be there. I don't see the relevant and I don't believe there 250:
Well, this is the issue. Are the "related events" things that involved ISIL anywhere in the world, "terrorist" actions in 2015, "terrorist" actions in France, events involving so-called Muslim extremism ... the possibilities seem pretty endless without some sort of criteria. (I've been careful with
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While stalking etc does go on, I don't think it is likely to impact greatly here and proving the pattern can be problematic. Certainly, one clash doesn't justify such a claim. I'd let it drop for now, LjL, unless you do indeed have evidence of some sort of pattern. That said, Yossimgim, your
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It's pretty much irrelevant to the attacks. They survived, nothing happened concerning them. They're not a band of such notability that anyone thinking of the attack will think of the band, either (although people who know the band may conversely think of the attack, making a mention of the
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kept removing the template from the main article and the reactions article every time I added it with the simple edit summary of "Relevance?" I was confused myself. Check the article's edit history if you don't believe me.
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well then, as I said, I agree with WWGB that the template should probably not be included there, but that doesn't mean that the article shouldn't be listed within the template. They are two separate things. The
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attacks, not those related events, so that's the article it belongs in. Anyway, see the section I've started below: what's the difference between the Brussels attacks and the other "Related events" listed?
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Thanks for that, but I was asking John and your comment of "They're not a band of such notability that anyone thinking of the attack will think of the band" is quite frankly bollocks.
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I don't think it's necessary. The theater is linked here, the band and its members aren't needed. We wouldn't add the teams at the game and other secondary articles on the issue. --
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my words because, for example, one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter, although I accept that the common view is that this was indeed a terrorist attack). -
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was the one making this claim, but I don't see them editing this template or discussing it on this talk page; if it was discussed elsewhere, well, it wasn't the right place.
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In any case, this template lists several attacks under "Related events" where the only thing in common is that they were seemingly perpetrated by
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I agree that the individual band members and the support band are not necessary, but why would the main band themselves be excluded, John?
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rationale is completely useless and will have no impact at all on any decision made regarding this discussion. I think you need to review
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template (an "ISIL" template, for instance, which luckily already exists) listing the terrorist attacks they perpetrated. Then
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was removed from this template, it was done with the justification that they are not "notable", but clearly they must be very
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article (although I've had disagreements about that sort of thing in the past). This templates includes events related to the
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The incident was a fair bit bigger than the particular edit here. You can check the editor's contributions page...
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The band was on stage during the attack (linked in the main article) thus absolutely related link in the navbox.
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I repeatedly tried to remove it but it was repeatedly readded, and my complaining on the talk page was no use.
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of the main article and, as such, linked from within it; it shouldn't be linked from a separate template.
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I lived in Paris for 6 years. I have my own opinions on this matter. Please don't project accusations.
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I don't, either. Seems more like a way for a fan to get a mention of their favourite band in a navbox. -
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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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The band, the names of the members of the band, the support band, are not necessary or helpful here. --
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and me makes two, not one. On the other hand, you are one. And you are being disruptive.
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I would do away with it. This sort of open-ended inclusion is how we ended up with the
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That's not how it works. You added it, the burden is yours to justify the addition.
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without knowing this discussion was going ahead. It was then reverted. Oh well.
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article, on the other hand, has no place in this template. It is just a
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What is the criteria for inclusion of something as a "related event"? -
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of the template concerns the Paris attacks, not the Brussels attacks.
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here to reach a consensus, and the IP is not. Tells me something.
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I think the right way to handle this sort of thing is to have a
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since they have a prominent article that was even featured on
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me. You came here out of the blue right after I had an
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Wait for fourth and fifth opinion before removing it.
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France
Paris
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France portal
WikiProject France
France
the discussion
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the Paris task force
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November attacks article
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