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IP31, having minimal similarities does not make completely different nations as "one nation"! Though the
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AF: The sorting of states in the list you mention is obviously useful for practical reasons. It has nothing to do with any general consensus in WP to treat NC in an identical way of Kosovo. Such "consensus" is pure fantasy (and that is also not the way WP works). Also: This TP is for discussing the
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Northern Cyprus is the subject of a territorial dispute between the
Republic of Cyprus and (the Turkish Republic of) Northern Cyprus. The latter declared independence on 15 November 1983, but Cyprus continues to claim it as part of its own sovereign territory. Northern Cyprus' independence has been
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There is already a consensus in WP about behaving Kosovo and NC as partially/limited recognized state. i.e. They are in the same category. And hence they both deserve to be behaved equivalently. Any distinguish against NC after that built-consensus was caused by POV viewed users. Hence, all such
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of anybody. And when I say 'everybody', I mean the people who we know to be aware of it, i.e. me, Dr.K. and TU-nor. It seems obvious to me that you should attempt to establish a consensus for having such a note in the first place....before edit-warring over its phrasing.
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TU-nor, you say "The sorting of states in the list", did you notice that there are many categories in that list, and the place for Kosovo and NC is the same! It is general consensus in WP to treat the items in the same group/category in a similar
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does not claim NC is recognized by UN. If that thing is realized, then only in that case UN information should be placed. There is also "partally recognition" "limited recognition" standards in WP. But, inclusion of those also extends the
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Did you get consensus for including nonrecognition? Kosovo is also neither full nor observer member of UN and in its replica template nonrecognition is not written. Also, ICJ Kosovo 2010:"recognition is a political issue, not
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In cv of a person, where he is worked is written, where he is not worked is not written.WP codex:"states without limited recognition","partially recognized states"... UN info will be placed when NC becomes member of UN.
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how can you qualify
Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots that have nothing in common for 500 years including race, religion, language, etc. (and that conflicted with each other continuously) as island nation?
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IP31, just for sampling purposes, can you give the names of mixed marriages btw GCs and TCs since 1960? You say "very many more", could you give a reference for the total number (if it is not 5)?
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Do you seriously believe that Greek and
Turkish Cypriots have nothing in common? Frankly, anyone who's got such blatant disregard for the truth has no business editing an encyclopaedia.
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Dr. K. You are very very biased on
Northern Cyprus topics. You are notorious with your "island nation of Cyprus" and "hiding behind 1974 events" distortions. You still did not answer
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It is actually incorrect to speak of Greek and
Turkish Cypriot intermarriage in the last 500 years, 'cause Cypriots identified by their religion before the early 20th century.
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The so-called "consensus" about treating Kosovo and NC identical is your interpretation and exists only in your imagination. There is no such general consensus in WP. --
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No intelligence is required to see that the number of mixed marriages between Greek
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I fully agree. This SPA account is pushing his POV and imagining things along the way. This is disruptive editing, but I have said this many times before.
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You said 'in 500 years'; obviously, there wasn't much intermarrying after around 1950. Also, that's 3 mixed marriages Ata is
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