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It might be something worth investigating. Scullion as a CLP member used to (and I thought still does) vote en bloc with the Nats in the Senate, and was the leader of the Nats in the Senate, until was deposed as leader of the Nationals by Joyce, after Joyce got the third of five votes required from
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A few moderate Liberals won't necessarily always vote with their party, but they don't cease to be Opposition members as a result. The Nationals sit alongside the Greens? Well they also sit alongside the Liberals. There is nothing about their seating position that unambiguously marks them as
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the new Nat in the Senate to undertake the coup. It wasn't revealed to the party until after it took place, but Scullion remains deputy leader of the National Party itself. Being a shadow minister doesn't stop someone from being classed as 'a crossbencher' I wouldn't have thought.
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The prominence of National Party MPs and Senators (of which I was including Scullion) in the shadow ministry indicates that the coalition remains in tact. That being the case, National Party Senators ought to be considered part of the Opposition, not the cross-bench.
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Agreed, they are not crossbenchers at this juncture. (One gets in all sorts of tangles in state parliaments with that, but the federal is fairly clearcut I would have thought.)
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Bush shep is obviously correct. On the criterion offered, Nick Minchin (leader of the Opposition in the Senate) is a cross-bencher.
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How can the Nats be considered cross-benchers when Scullion is a member of the shadow ministry?
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cross-benchers. Further, the aforementioned Scullion sits
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