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3736:" described, without further proof as follows: "The war in Donbas, or Donbas war was a phase of the Russo-Ukrainian War in the Donbas region of Ukraine." This could also be said of the war in Syria, which could be named the "War in Syria", a "phase of the proxy war of the USA and Russia, opposing US mercenary groups assisted by US and US ally troupes and the Syrian army with Syrian allies (Russia, Iran, Hezbollah)". The war in Syria actually is not over, with the USA illegally occupying the north-eastern part of the country, i.e. the oil fields of Syria, producing oil on its own account without permission from the national government. Nothing is "civil" there. Knowledge (XXG) shouldn't get involved in politics and have only one standard, in this case applied to all conflicts alike, without distinction of who is waging them. 2760: 2809: 2788: 2487: 2740: 2471: 2047: 647: 1290: 1025: 1344: 2987: 2966: 1323: 3096: 201: 3075: 3455: 2455: 165: 2536: 2515: 2651: 2620: 2161: 130: 2140: 2546: 709: 987: 900: 2171: 2067: 890: 2340: 3184: 1735: 941: 895: 2997: 1714: 858: 628: 2898: 2877: 1524: 1858: 1745: 1497: 87: 45: 3263: 2661: 3200: 1848: 1827: 1281: 3340: 2412: 2401: 2390: 2368: 1981: 3381: 1971: 1932: 1534: 1433: 3106: 1412: 2108: 2280: 661: 2245: 1646: 1625: 3407: 2379: 3731:
I think that even the title - Syrian Civil War - is misleading and should be changed. This is corroborated by people here and by information, that is increasingly available, not least the continuation of the proxy war between the USA and Russia in Ukraine. A proxy war opposing armed gangs managed by
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Indeed, needs to be re-written. Starting with the title that reads "CIVIL" war. When foreign forces unlawfully invade and annihilate your country, it is not a civil war. It is a hostile and aggressive attack we call today terror. Calling it a "civil" war is a misleading political statement.
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I would support the notion that this was not a civil war but a proxy war. Mercenaries, foreign or national, fighting a proxy war for foreign powers, paid, armed and guided by those foreign powers, among which the CIA, do not qualify as a local uprising and part of a civil war.
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Previously, this article had a very long infobox, which attempted to capture the complex relationships between the many belligerent parties in this civil war and present other information such as strengths and casualties.
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foreign powers and a national army is not a civil war, even though it apparently is among national parties. The "conflict in Ukraine" as it is called by the OHCHR is quite similar and is named on Knowledge (XXG) as "
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For the people who are defending USA and NATO, USA with the help of turkey, they posioned syrian civillians by dropping posion gas from airplanes. If that is not a war crime then I do not know what is.
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Opening paragraphs don’t explain the origin of ISIS at all. It just suddenly states that in 2014 they controlled the most land area in Syria. I will fix this. I need to learn more though before that.
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A Knowledge (XXG) article on an HTS offensive says that HTS main significant gains in 2022, but I don’t see any of those gains features in the map. Should this be updated?
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The whole article needs a rewrite, it for example lists allied forces as bellingerents. And it's locked so that nobody can actually do anything to deal with its problems.
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It's quite common for foreign forces to intervene in a civil war. That doesn't (necessarily) change the internal aspect of the war. —
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Why is the infobox short? Where is the information about belligerents and other information commonly seen in an infobox?
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The Syrian civil war is an ongoing multi-sided conflict in Syria involving various state-sponsored and non-state actors.
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Is there any reason for it to be removed, shouldn’t it be there like almost every single article
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