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Hi, I would like to know if someone has more information on
Johanna Károlyi de Károly-Patty's title (for now she is categorized "did not have a royal or noble title by birth"), because her father is sometimes referred as a Count (Heinrich Karolyi de Károly-Patty u.Vasvár) such as here
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which is usually reliable. On the other hand Paul
Theroff gives no title to Heinrich's father Sigismund Karolyi de Károly-Patty u.Vasvár (married to Johanna Gräfin von Orsini und Rosenberg 1842-1918) which can be found here
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Is she related to the
Hungarian noble family of Károly?--
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