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Not the clearest writer, am I? I merely mean that, by registering, although whatever IP they're assigned to each time is still one of these AOL numbers, the Wiki software no longer lumps them in with AOL or its IP's. If I were on AOL, for example, and found myself blocked because of some idiot, well
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Hi Bill, I'm sure that you would never put a long block on a shared IP. But the fact is, people do it. If we do not give them a gentle reminder in this template, what do you suggest we do? Or are you in favour of long blocks on shared IPs? Regards,
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of multiple admins blocking in rapid succession for a single event or that the list can be inflated if someone has to reset the block to a shorter time in order to fix a problem of collateral damage.
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