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That's my memory as well. I remember spending a lot of time scouring
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Thanks for switching it back. I thought there was a fair amount of discussion about choosing the image initially. "Three
Friends", by William H. Johnson isn't perfect for multiple reasons -Pam mentions one, it was painted by a man, etc.- but it is representative in other ways. That said, if anyone
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Actually, I did it intentionally because it was a genericized image whereas the previous one, a painting, did not represent women globally, per WP:GLOBAL. Perhaps I should have simply gone with the female symbol? The image gets changed from time to time, and it was time for a change. If the other
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I don't remember when the discussion took place, but I remember that it happened. A long discussion was had, various real women's photographs were tried. Ian, Dr. B. Rosie, Montana, and several others were involved. The image was changed multiple times until it was agreed to settle on this one.
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As I recall, we initially discussed using real photographs of women, but decided that because real women are judged harshly, by their appearance, ideological stances, etc. that it was better to use a representation of women than actual women. We specifically did not want a representation which
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is was more broad in scope! Could you kindly revert your unilateral change and take your concerns to the projects and ASK them? The people on the project really do have a fair bit of input into the image used for their project banner, I would think.
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