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is blue or not, or questions about whether the content covering Barron Trump is a 'real' fullblown article or not, to make this decision. It should be based on what the sources usually do, when they cover members of the "family of Donald Trump". As for the comments about redundancy, I supported the
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So there is no question that Barron Trump gets 'relatively' little coverage, compared to his mom and step-siblings. But the question that ought to concern us, is whether 0.2m hits is ENOUGH to justify noteworthy-ness, or notability-equivalence: does Barron Trump satisfy
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