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I spend my time in an obscure subject: jazz. It hasn't been a popular genre since World War II. I found an article from 2015 placing jazz sales figures at 1.4% of music consumption, making it the least popular genre in
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Knowledge (XXG) the way one posts to Facebook, Twitter, a forum, or a chat room. Anyone can write or edit Knowledge (XXG), provided one knows the rules. Knowledge (XXG) isn't a newspaper. It isn't television. It isn't the place to go for the latest thing. It isn't the place to
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Everyone on the internet is a stranger. It's not the best means of communication. It's
Internetworld, not the real world. Misunderstanding and conflict occur. Therefore contributors should be given more freedom, not less, to speak, to discuss, and to understand each other. If people are afraid to
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All work on
Knowledge (XXG) is collaborative. There is no private property here. The article doesn't belong to you, even if you have done most of the work. This is difficult. Every article is the result of the efforts of many people. Given time, someone will come along and change your efforts,
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Venues – Rarely. Venues want you to come to the show. This leads to the use of promotional language. Good for them, bad for an encyclopedia, which must stick to the facts. There is usually not enough information in such articles to be of value, though sometimes there is a brief
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One reason collective projects fail is because of the natural tendency to feel ownership for something one has worked on. The more work you do, the more you feel it is yours. The more you feel it is yours, the less you want someone to meddle with your efforts.
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It's sometimes difficult to tell who is a co-leader and who is a sideman or guest. The album cover doesn't always help. Pat
Metheny said that on one album the musicians agreed to have their names listed alphabetically. How the checks were divided is anyone's
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Albums not released in the U.S. or U.K. unless the musician is foreign, in which case of course most of the albums will be released by foreign labels. This can get complicated. But try to concentrate on official mainstream releases rather than
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LPs didn't become the dominant format until well into the 1950s. This means some of the jazz of 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s 1) wasn't recorded; 2) existed only on cylinders, singles, 78s, 10" etc. 3) can be found only on compilations or
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The transition to CDs began in the early 1980s. Most jazz that was intended to be released has been released. But there are labels, like
Resonance, dedicated to re-releases. Sometimes these albums are worth mentioning. But only
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As in other encyclopedias, reference works, and web sites, Knowledge (XXG) editors try to maintain consistency. That's why there are templates and standards for organizing information. This makes it easier for everyone. Keep it
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In most cases, you will have to make adjustments. If nothing else, when using cite web, click the calendar icon to enter today's date. That's the access date, the day you read (accessed) the web page and borrowed the
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My goal is to a create a discography that is sufficient to give the reader an overview of the musician's albums. Not one that is perfect, comprehensive, containing every detail (every catalog number, matrix number,
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The most important items are authors' first names, last names, title of article, web site. For a book, first name, last name, page number, publisher, and year of publication. Please try to find this information.
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Record labels – Sometimes. Many labels engage in advertising and promotion to encourage people to buy music. They concentrate on what sells now, often ignoring the past. Labels re-release albums, making dates
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read about gossip or scandal. It's an encyclopedia, which means a boring reliance on facts. No site that has user-generated content can be a reliable source for
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Please avoid entering musicians who don't have articles. Let's concentrate on musicians that have articles and get that work done before creating stubs that no one will ever improve.
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Jazz albums are released at different times all over the world, sometimes with different songs, titles, and album covers, by different labels and distributed by different companies.
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Official site – Sometimes reliable. The official site can be used for certain simple facts but cannot be used when the information is intended as praise or promotion.
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Many discographies list recording dates but not release dates. Look for release dates first because this is how most people are used to seeing albums listed.
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