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English Knowledge page. I'd say most of the blame for this confusion can be laid at the feet of the software, not the user. (Going forward, this quirk won't be an issue since the WMF folks are preventing SUL detachment by moving the rename function from local bureaucrats to the stewards on meta. WP:CHU is going away entirely within a few months.) If it were me, I'd keep the old account blocked to help him avoid accidentally using it and unblock the new account since his explanation seems in line with the way the software works.
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If you can, please confirm all my technical conclusions above regarding the history and how it works. Feel free to add anything if you think there's something I'm missing. As for my blocks, you can comment on those if you wish, but I don't expect you to do that extra work. I'll be in a better
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I am still working on it, and don't have permissions to delete users, as well as images, pages, and the what not. I would also be interested in helping you out with the music list, as I am a musician. Any help or advice would be greatly needed. Here is my user page
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I generally see you making sound contributions and I admire your level-headedness and leniency. I noticed the section above and think it typifies both qualities but this is just an example; the award is in recognition of a long pattern of good judgement.
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You got in with the unblock just as I was trying to make up my mind whether to do it myself of not (since I'm offline in ten minutes, I wouldn't be available to deal with any fallout). Thanks for doing the necessary, and saving me the hand-wringing!
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I've taken your advice and unblocked Marcos. I'm not wholly convinced as to the user's motives (call me cynical), but the evidence is no longer stronger enough for me to justify leaving them blocked, and I'd rather "err" on the side of
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I'd actually like to know how this works, but my questions also relate to something that happened yesterday, which I'm now trying to better understand. I'm particularly interested in whether my administrative actions were justified.
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When I was renamed in 2008, I didn't use my "old" account for years. When I became an admin in 2012, I asked a Crat about capturing the old name. He told me to just log in and use it which I did. I didn't have to "recreate it".
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Hi there. If you're interested in becoming a
Knowledge administrator, it generally takes a few thousand edits before people will give you serious consideration. You may want to read
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position to review my own blocks once I'm clearer as to how this works generally and how it unfolded in this specific instance. Thanks for bearing with me.--
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Message added 06:10, 17 June 2013 (UTC). It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can
1492:. I assure you that I will not bring any disgrace to new username and I will be very responsible, active and fruitful wikipedian. Thanks.
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Hello 28bytes, I was hoping perhaps you could help with another issue. I am an authorized AWB user under my former account; will you
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No, they told me to start with the good ones today. They said once all the good ones abdicate, I should await further instructions.
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I thought I left you in charge; I'd assumed you'd have desysopped all the bad admins by now. Get cracking.
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Hi, I appear to have a misunderstanding as to how something works. According to
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Thanks! Rklawton deserves the credit for bringing it to my attention at AN/I.
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Hello, 28bytes. Please check your email; you've got mail! The subject is IRC.
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