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Knowledge is doing, and we want to be a part of this project because we value the work Knowledge is doing. We view ourselves as fellow contributors to Knowledge, and the entire goal of our project is to ensure that we contribute, above all else, neutral, accurate, and comprehensive content. We think the fundamentally unethical actions of people like Wiki-PR have the potential to do serious damage to Knowledge's credibility and thus its utility. Knowledge is an awesome resource, and we want to see it stay awesome. We want to help make it more awesome. One aspect of the work we'll do here will be stuff like neutrally documenting corporations, which we think will improve the encyclopedia because most examinations of corporate articles shows that they are often wrong or non-existent. Even if you don't like corporations, they are definitely encyclopedic topics, and Knowledge will be a better place when 60% of corporation's articles don't have problems. This is only one aspect of our intended work however, but it is the one that we anticipate being the most contentious issue so we think it's a good idea to make the community aware of that first.
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it to be a marketing gimmick; we realize that our presence here will take up the time of some volunteers, and acting as volunteers ourselves in areas that are currently under-served seemed like a way to balance that out to some extent. As stated previously, we all do really believe in
Knowledge's project, and the desire to better Knowledge was the catalyst for our decision to make 20% of our work not for profit. Most of our pro-bono work will be aimed at areas that both don't have enough Wikipedian volunteer editors working in them, and where public accessibility of information about them is important. We decided to start off using the Wikiproject Women Scientist tasklist, but as we expand our presence here we are definitely going to branch out in to other under-covered areas as well. We were also thinking about helping out at places like the resource exchange and the help desks where we can. We think that our combination of paid and unpaid work that is all focused towards improving areas that Knowledge lacks good coverage in will eventually result in a better encyclopedia.
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the time to do so, please point us out to it so that we can fix it. We're not perfectly experienced
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could seem like we're trying to just link our site? If not, once it's up, I'll be back with links. If it would, we'll port the same posts to
Knowledge so we can just give people links to Knowledge user subpages that explain our practices. I would also like to say that all three of us are really hoping that we will be able to function productively like we think we will be able to here, but if that turns out not to be the case, we will not turn into problematic users like Wiki-PR did. We believe this is the only ethical and effective way we can do this, and if it turns out not to work, we will regret it, but none of us are willing to throw away our personal ethics (not to mention the code of ethics of the PR profession) to make a quick buck.
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University of California. If you click around some of other pages of CWP it goes in to more detail about these things; I would quote what they say here, but they would be pretty long quotes and would make this post unwieldy. If you have the time, could you explain why you believe the source is unreliable, so we can improve in the future? Thank you for your feedback, we really do appreciate it.
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I don't know of anyone who is an expert on paid editors. It's probably too soon to determine conflicts of interest. As of now, my concerns are (1) although paid editing is allowed is it acceptable to work in ways effectively indistinguishable from meatpuppets or perhaps sockpuppets (checkuser would
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I understand that my initial words won't do much in terms of calming your worries, or reducing scrutiny of our edits. All we would ask is that you see how we behave before judging us one way or another. I am sure we will make errors. If we make an error and you notice it and you feel like you have
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If either of you are worried that our statement about pro-bono work is meant to lure in more business for us, please let us know if you can think of some wording changes that would make it worry you less. We will try to refine it some ourselves to be more palatable to you as well. We don't intend
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Hi all - Shelly alerted me to this conversation, sorry for joining it a couple days late. When we started this idea, we knew we would receive a lot of scrutiny in how we conducted ourselves. We think that we'll still be able to conduct valuable work here while being transparent in our practices.
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Hi there. Unfortunately, I am not much of an expert on paid editors, so I'm not sure I would be able to be much help here. I do know that paid editing is allowed, although many editors would prefer it not be, for I think quite understandable reasons. If there are specific article edits that concern
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The transparency is a good thing and very rare in paid editing. I think it would be best to wait and see what happens. What I'm worried about is that they are opening up a business on
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Hi I am One of Many - I went ahead and changed the text on our userpages in a way that should make it seem less promotional; we definitely were not intending it to be taken that way, but see the ambiguity. Hopefully the language I put in is more clear and less likely to come off in a promotional
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article, we can give the edits some extra scrutiny, whereas if Bob chooses to edit as "User:Bob131072" it's not so obvious what's going on. Yet the username policy encourages editors to pick the latter type of username. It's tricky; we don't want to end up punishing people for their honesty, but
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discourage paid editors from being transparent about it. We have some fairly counterproductive policies and guidelines that do this already, especially in the area of usernames: if we see "User:Bob from Microsoft" editing the
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