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711:. If this is a book, the page number is essential, and the author, date and publisher are also needed. At the very least enough information that a motivated reader could find the specific passage you rely on in a library is essential. Suppose, for example, i wanted to cite my example sentence above to an article in the (invented)
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I did receive your note, as i think you will see if you read my talk page. I do have email, and you can use the "Email this User" feature if you so choose. However I much prefer to conduct any
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OK, I understand the citations concept. What I don’t understand is now to hyperlink them. My article is filled with links, all "Wiki-approved" kinds of articles from mainstream publications, like Forbes and professional associations like the Public
Relations Society of America, etc. I guess that I
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I will look again at the draft article you wrote and posted. My memory is that it did NOT include any citations to sources at all, but i will confirm this. Note that every version of every article is preserved in the wikipedia history, for anyone to see at any time in the future if they so
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located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when they said it. Thank you.
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An internet link is very useful but by no means required -- many wikipedia articles are sourced to books or newspaper articles that are not available online and must be looked up in a library to verify them. Read the page on
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THANK YOU for emailing me. I'm not sure how the "talk" feature works, as it seems I'm "adding to a page?" as opposed to having a conversation with a person. It seems, however, that you are miraculously getting my
464:, which is the best way to communicate with me on wikipedia subjects. You do need to learn to sign your posts and preferably to indent them (done with leading colons), but those are comparatively minor matters.
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PR sort of thing. I am a PR professional, so I'm familiar with media events, but not the concept Alyson is discussing. However, I am generally in favor of consolidating multiple articles on similar topics.
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Please read the links in the "welcome" section above. It is generally considered unwise to post an email address on a wikipedia page, and most editors will remove it as soon as they see it.
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I will note further that the formatting of citations has two separate but related parts. The first issue is how to format the citation data itself. This can be done manually or by means of
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Do try using the talk page if you can -- many wikipedia editors will not respond by email and will ignore any request to do so and will not provide their own email addresses.
784:(Please note this is an entirely invented example). To make it into a footnote I would place this at the end of the text that it supports, wrapped in a ref tag, like this:
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did not hyperlink or format them correctly. Is it just a matter of putting the right code in front and in back of each citation (like a hyperlink in an email?). -Alyson
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Please learn to sign your posts on talk pages such as this one with four tildes (like this: ~~~~). the wiki software will convert this into a signature and timestamp.
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introduction events (speaking with my tech journalist hat on), I didn't see a need for two articles. One really solid article sounds like a great plan!
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