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Azerbaijan history which desperately needs work has received dismissive comments and removed without debate by the same user who reported me in this article (LouiseAragon) which incidentally is not the same user that I was edit warring with (HistoryofIran). So wherever I go, I seem to be blocked and tackled by the same users, rule-trapped, reported, blocked, which they brag about. This is hardly fair. Thank you
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Knowledge (XXG) principles. I think not (five-pointer?). Besides I am engaging with you. You're the one who can't get over your condescension. I am trying to have a discussion and understand why context which directly explains lack of recognition of NKR doesn't appear prominently in the article and is seen as biased. These resolutions are fact. They are also relevant because they reflect the views of the world community and international law, as such explain why Armenia itself hasn't afforded NKR official recognition. But you have seen it all and there is nothing new for you to learn, is there? You have appointed yourself the 'keeper' of the truth from knuckleheads like me. How arrogant of you.
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deferance. it is irrelevant how many aremnians, azeris have opined here... surely that is no reason to generalize and stereotype. if i have an issue with objectivity, we will be discissing it. and if you think your position is invinsible here, we can challenge that notion to find out. or you can assume some people are in fact objective and work with them, though i worry that you have reached the point of no return... you have proclaimed yourself the seenit all, know it all and right... yet you have your personal opinions slant the plate. your lack of self-doubt is the first sign that you can no longer be objective. thats gonna have to change bro. start by removing you user page banter, that would be a sign of good will.
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going to fly". How can you so blatantly disrespect me? Call Azeris "revanchist idiots", you believe to be the "the only one here with a good faith interest", "I am biased only in favor of the truth", "one side chooses to espouse a view that is not backed up by truth". Aren't you ashamed of your self-righteous proclamations? Knowledge (XXG) requires editors to treat each other with respect and civility, but this is beyond that.
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for growth, tourism alone would feed the countires. if we are at peace, Armenia and by extension karabakh will be a part of the "game". the result is economic prosperity on both sides (and georgia) which will eliminate a need to fight for the land. georgia and azerbaijan are already doing this and have moved passed bickering (plenty of that in the past)
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Thank you for explaining. I disagree that the article can give false hope to people, it's not at all hidden that NKR is very unrecognized. But you're more than welcome to bring this up on the article's talk page and attempt to convince others. And yes, its status is different from the DNR and LNR in
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if by editing the site, i have broken rules and insulted you, then i apologize. that was not my intent. the site states "discuss before editing" rule for the intro section and i honored it. i was not aware it applied to the rest of the site(s). meanwhile, your userpage essay contiues to insult me
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joint custody is not possible now. why? hope! lesser hope by the azeris that we will regain full control, and greater hope by the armenians that de facto can become de jure without
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