User talk:Art LaPella/Archive 7

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editor to fix punctuation and spelling. As WP copy editors we do a lot of that. I believe that Dicklyon mentioned writing a book IRL, but the experiences of one editor and one writer are not necessarily representative of the entire book industry. I had considered fixing "a lot of nuances" but decided it was not important. The purpose of language is to convey meaning, good grammar is better than bad, but if the meaning is clear, that is what is more important. Capitalization and punctuation was referring to trying to distinguish correct titles, not correct grammar. My grammar is probably professional English, but I am not by any means a linguist, and definitely my spelling is not perfect. Now that we can not edit the MOS I am reading through it and making a list. It has been a while since I have read it and it has changed a bit. You might know why it says to put comments inside the == == - I have not commonly seen it done that way. My only real interest in the MOS recently is fixing the Mexican American War issue. Surprisingly I have not read all 4,000,000 WP articles, and as a regular at WP:RM it is actually a huge stack of guidelines just to go through all the title nuances. Have I read all of WP's policies and guidelines? I have read every one that "came across my desk" - or came to my attention, but all of them? Who knows? As an admin wannabe obviously one of my first priorities is knowledge of policies and guidelines. I started to edit an Essay, but noticed it was an essay and reverted. Editing would have implied that it reflected my views, and essays can reflect anyone's views. One of the obvious comments I have on the MOS is deleting the advice to follow this page if a subpage says something different, because we always try to keep all of our guidelines consistent, and if they are not, it is our responsibility to fix that, not everyone elses responsibility to ignore specific ones over others. That is also why I object to saying that TITLE does not apply to titles, but the MOS does. Say what??

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a mathematician happened to be visiting the statehouse and happened to be able to stop them), an RfC could still be opened to change it back to 3.14, and surely someone would notice rule number 47 and point out that after the article was changed rule number 47 should also be changed. Which is more important, the rule or the article? I get the sense that the MOS specialists think the rule is more important and should be changed first. My view is that without articles there would be no rules, so the article comes first. When I looked at books using Wilkes-Barre I found many that used an accent mark over the final e, but did not pursue why. As I pointed out, Dicklyon's edit did not say what was intended, and was just done to make a point as far as I could see. If there are a large class of proper names that use an endash we can certainly note that, but so far no one has been able to find even one that passes the normal criteria used every day at

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page (which you created), as it made sense to you for it to have a designation independent of the other guideline lists (seems logical). But I still don't find a mention of a "P1" guideline anywhere else in DYK, and I suspect this is why (quoting you) "nobody else seems to have learned that technique" of referring to this guideline as "P1". However, it appears harmless, other than the potential for confusion such as happened in my case, and if that has only triggered a discussion once in three years, then I cannot really argue it's an issue worth our spending any more time on. Anyway, I greatly appreciate the time spent on DYK and other WP maintenance by editors such as you, and I know that the DYK process has become more complicated and undergone extensive changes over the past year or so. Some editors such as myself don't have enough time or patience to keep up with all of that, so I do appreciate

3129:- a majority of books using it, for example. I fully understand the logic of using an endash, but no one in the real world agrees - or at least no more than about 2 or 3%, and I find it odd for WP to go out on a limb and use OE English for example just because they are more correct than common usage, even though there is a small percentage that does. But like you say I am only one of a multiple thousand other editors. So just to clarify, it is not what I think is important, it is what the hundreds of thousands of book editors think - as reflected in the books published - that matters, in interpreting the advice that hyphens are used in names. From what I can see almost all of them interpret it as saying that hyphens are the go to character to use. 3086:

obligation to try to serve those readers to the best of our ability. My first edit was to fix an error. I have not been able to figure out which article or what, but it was a minor but significant correction. The general process that we go through is excellent, and is the product of thousands of extremely smart people providing their insights. Occasionally we make some wrong turns - saying that all animal species capitalize all words was one of them. From what I can tell using Mexican American War is another, and yes I could be less demanding, but one thing that I know I always have is an open mind. I think that every person has tremendous value, and I carefully read every viewpoint. The worst thing is not having enough input.

1073:, the supplementary guidelines, and unwritten things regulars just expect people to know, with one system where people could really find things. Each page in the hierarchy can be understood as one piece of the puzzle at a time, to avoid beginners being overwhelmed by everything at once – that is, with one unfamiliar abstraction defined in terms of more unfamiliar abstractions, and no place to begin. But others didn't agree with me, so in addition to "One page" we have an additional layer of rules instead of a simplification. It should probably be all condensed down to one, but as my influence on that subject is limited, I have moved on. 804:, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Knowledge (XXG) administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community 501:

never drink alcohol again. At a baptism, the pastor says "Do you renounce the Devil and all his works?" I think you meant "denounce" or "announce". A reflex is a reaction. Literally, when a doctor taps your knee, your foot will move by itself; that is a reflex. Or in politics, an automatic reaction to something is a reflex. I think you meant "reflects". Or in more natural English, the books were denounced for criticizing the government – or maybe you meant that the books were proclaimed or honored for their political analysis.

3035:? I claim no expertise on punctuation or titles (although I know the existing text of the MoS better than just about anybody), and you may well be right about how the rest of the world punctuates Mexican–American War, but Knowledge (XXG) operates by consensus. So of course it matters how many WP editors agree with you. If the rest of the world agrees with you, then it should be easy to convince MoS regulars according to their own rules, that is, by citing style manuals etc. as I argue at 2982:

correct other than a few examples which violate our own MOS. I already have found a great many people who agree with my proper name theory. Among WP editors is not important. What is important is that according to google, "Mexican@American War appears in 90,000 books with some sort of spelling, punctuation, and capitalization. That is our authority, above all else. "Comprehensive rules" is an oxymoron in a guideline and Arbcom emphasized that there are no hard and fast rules:

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is not the actual decision. "If after two months, a determination isn't realised, a case will be opened and conduct violations will be dealt with severely." is pretty easy for me to understand. But it seems odd that a deadline would be imposed, as we had a MOS long before 2011, and I see no reason that something critical needed to be decided by any particular date. And since when has WP ever waited to deal with conduct violations severely? Please reply here.

2821: 3985: 380:. However, nothing else you write has any resemblance to reality for me. For instance, Kevin cited the policy defining incivility, and your response was to ask how he defines it. So I don't think discussing civility would serve any purpose, other than jumping through the hoop of attempting a discussion for the purpose of any future dispute resolution, to determine why the rest of Knowledge (XXG) hasn't solved this obvious problem. 4046: 2769: 1388: 1317: 3171:", but I thought it said specifically "Mexican–American War". It doesn't. But from the history of the guideline, it was clearly intended to cover the dash in the Mexican–American War. Anyway, the "O-Hara" example dismisses your point more conclusively; the Mexican–American War dash and its months of debate don't disappear because of the Wilkes-Barre rule. 1066:, whose upper right hand corner names that shortcut. Every page in the Learning DYK system has a similar shortcut, all the same except for the identifying letter, which is "P" in this case. So if I want to refer someone to rule P1, I know without looking that I can link it as ]. Unfortunately, nobody else seems to have learned that technique. 949:"Legal disputes between the monks and the House of Griespek were ended in 1613 when king Matthias returned the site to the Cistercians. The Griespeks lost their property due to confiscation after the battle of White Mountain" in 1620. But if the Griespeks had already lost the property in 1613, how could they lose it again in 1620? 1032:, identified them by the same prefix letters as in the full list (and you yourself had it as D8 on the "Not exactly" page when you first created the page 3 years ago), so I concluded this was supposed to be identified as D9. Actually, even now, I still cannot find a rule "P1" anywhere else in the DYK pages, even on the 2959:

very relevant any more. What is relevant is that they also required us to agree to comprehensive rules about dashes, with arbitrator Casliber monitoring that discussion to ensure it comes to a conclusion. I recall multiple deadlines being passed while we argued, but the final result is pretty much the

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So, the relevant sports Wikiprojects are inconsistent in enforcing their own consensus in practice. I suppose that should surprise no one, of course, but your point about making an affirmative assertion of 100% uniformity vs. aspirational or normative uniformity is well taken. I have made the tweak

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Not quite sure which rule that would be. My point is that no policy or rule states unambiguously which punctuation to use - common sense applies - and even if there was a rule number 47 that said that pi was equal to 3 (the Indiana legislature considered making that a law and was only stopped because

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Your user page says you want to be an administrator, but you don't give me the impression you're trying to make the system work, so you look more likely to be blocked than to be made administrator. You've taken over several guideline talk pages for weeks with a crusade that has no consensus, and your

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moratorium on changing dashes to hyphens or vice versa until more permanent rules could be devised. If you call that slapping, then both sides were slapped. Iridescent's reaction to that reaction was to say that the moratorium applies only to titles. The moratorium has long since expired, so it isn't

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Hello Art LaPella. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Knowledge (XXG), in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience.

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You just added a comma in the "Doe v. Shurtleff" entry that does not belong. The "a Utah law" phrase is not parenthetical, and the comma you added, before "was ruled constitutional", turns a perfectly good sentence into one that no longer makes sense. Can you please remove that final comma you added?

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Even if we interpret the Wilkes-Barre guideline to say that the Mexican–American War guideline is wrong, where do you get the idea that the former overrides the latter, when the latter was the result of thousands of times more debate? Isn't it better to rephrase the Wilkes-Barre guideline to prevent

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Help me out. I followed your link, hoping it would lead me to the Arbcom decision, but instead it just goes to a discussion page on the endash draft. While it includes snippets of the Arbcom decision, and I am aware that there are sanctions on some well one editor topic banning them from the MOS, it

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Hyphem -- just checking to see if you were awake. Kidding -- touché, Sir, although I believe that the elimination of hyphen from *ly-**ed XXX may be fairly recent, linguistically speaking. (In other words, after I was in elementary school, although one must allow for all the turmoil that followed in

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It isn't obvious that Knowledge (XXG) should copy other sources that don't use diacritics, because it could be that other sources had less time and/or software for dealing with diacritics, so it doesn't necessarily prove they prefer no diacritics in English. If people are being blocked or banned for

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I didn't understand the last paragraph very well, but I changed it to what I think you meant. In the old version, the phrase "herbs wall paintings" was confusing because the herbs are part of one of the two paintings on the ceiling, not the wall; it was as if several words must be missing in between

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I don't think I'm who you want. My experience as an administrator is completely unique and atypical, so your questions would likely be irrelevant to my experience. I was made administrator to fix typos on the Main Page. I have never blocked anyone, and I have almost never used my administrator power

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Can you tell me the correct implication of placing a into a sourced quote, and what would be correct in changing the source quote, "He was killed by ... " into "He was killed by", or should that be, " was killed by"? I suspect you can answer that much faster that I can find the answer. Thanks for

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Sorry about the trolling question in the link monster. Guess I was just getting goaded into being trigger-happy. I would have put it into the operative page, but I see it has been locked for now. Just for perspective, I see that Boundlessly has terminated his WP account. I think he was quite a loss

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Many odd changes were made after Pmanderson left, just because when he was here, there wasn't time to do much except argue with him. The powers that be didn't respond by making him an administrator; instead, they slowly tired of him. When he was gone, many changes (good or bad) were made that there

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What I was saying was that since PM was topic banned in March 2012 they were not available to bring common sense to not making that edit in July 2012. I have no clue what PM's opinions or editing style was, other than being blocked for a year for using a sock to evade a topic ban, if I am recalling

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I was not aware that Dicklyon was saying that the ratio was 3 to 1 for Mexican American War, but if it was I likely simply dismissed it, because unless it is 1 to 3, 3 to 1 is as good as 50 to 1.My recollection was that was about the comet, which is not as cut and dry as Mexican American War. Most

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Last time, I wrote: "If you're going to repeat the Google statistics, then mention that DickLyon showed the ratio is about 3 to 1, after accounting for hyphens that turn to dashes when you click them to get past Google's software. And mention that much of that 3 to 1 advantage represents difficulty

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If you're going to repeat the Google statistics, then mention that DickLyon showed the ratio is about 3 to 1, after accounting for hyphens that turn to dashes when you click them to get past Google's software. And mention that much of that 3 to 1 advantage represents difficulty in producing dashes,

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2) Style guides are used as a means of creating a consistent end result. They do not affect content, but rather how that content is presented. The English Knowledge (XXG)'s Manual of Style (MoS) is a guideline, or a set of "best practices" supported by consensus. The MoS is not a collection of hard

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I think I found it, but as expected it is hardly a decision to use endashes but a slap on the wrist for using endashes: "Unless a 'hyphen only' policy is ultimately adopted there are going to remain good grounds for replacement in body text and references." What apparently had been going on is edit

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tag to the end of the previous line cured that problem. The box itself was too big and overlapped with other boxes and with text in sentences above the box. (And it was a bit overbearing and distracting to the reader.) I did a re-design to make it smaller, and wrapped the box formatting only around

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Sorry about my reference to the "F" rules, as an example; I failed to notice that the "One page" page and supplementary guidelines pages didn't match in their F-prefixed rules. As to "P1", I think I understand now. It seems that "P1" was a designation you gave to that rule yourself, on its shortcut

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Thank you for your correction. By the phrase I meant that they wrote about topics which did not touch the difficult political situation of the country so that they escaped to the idealized childhood in past (The Grandmother) or fairytales and myths (Kytice). It might be something like "abandoned to

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or whatever. I don't plan to edit that page further. It's easier to just fix misspellings etc. than to determine what changes others may wish to make. I find articles like that one by searching for a specific misspelling, not from a category. It's predictable that many of them have other problems.

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attitude is more like giving orders than trying to convince anybody. Nobody knows who anybody really is on Knowledge (XXG); we cite sources and gather a consensus. If your sources are good, it doesn't matter if you're ten years old. If they aren't, it doesn't matter if you're the Einstein of style.

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Anyone" = "1 is lower than any positive integer". 1 isn't lower than 1, which is indeed a member of the second category. ALP is an *included member* of superset Anyone, so how can ALP be *greater* than its superset? OK, did this on your terms; now let's both get back to stuff that matters. Cheers!

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Actually, I only contributed to the current discussion, and to copyediting spelling and such on the Main Page (this issue is an example of why I usually avoid the more political parts of Knowledge (XXG)). But I've been watching. Any of the proposed alternatives are better than microstate-centrism.

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I changed "12.000 goldens" to "12,000 goldens". In German, and I think in some other European languages, twelve thousand is written as 12.000 . But in the U.S., I never saw big numbers written that way until I was about 15, while studying German. Anyway, if there were only 12 goldens, I don't know

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Because of your previous input on various iterations of the debate about the lower-casing vs. capitalization of the common names of animals (domestic cat, blue whale vs. Domestic Cat, Blue Whale), you may be interested in this thread proposing key points that should be addressed by the guidelines:

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Are you? You could have said, "It should be Bristol, England," and I wouldn't have said anything. Maybe it should be England; I don't know. But instead you said, "Are you arguing that Bristol isn't in England?" Modest Genius obviously knows the map, so why are you accusing him of arguing something

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Hello Art: I"m a new user and see that you made a comment on my page and wondering if you can guide me. You made a comment about my page called "Media Introduction Events" and that I put the slash behind the world "ref" when in fact is should be before. I"m happy to change this, but I have no idea

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As to subpage consistency: "Which says, as of a few weeks ago ... 19:20, 12 August 2012". No wonder that one sounds strange too. And completely the opposite of what we want. And need. Are all these bizarre changes to the MOS being introduced only because Pmanderson was topic banned? (from memory,

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section which says 97.2%. Anyone is welcome to edit it and put in any numbers they think are more accurate. What I said about difficulty in producing dashes is that books are typeset so difficulty is not a factor. An author can turn in a book in all hyphens or spaces and it is the job of the copy

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The problem is that it's not a math formula. In a Venn diagram (talking your language now, are we?), the set of "anyone" (all humans on the planet) will *always* include ALP, for so long as he is among us. (Long Live LaPella!) To put the diff in math terms, you quoted an equality, while the cited

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As for diacritics, I don't normally decide style issues themselves, other than secondary issues like mentioning civility on the MoS talk page. For one thing, I don't have easy access to an academic library with style manuals. I can, however, repeat arguments I have read elsewhere that counter the

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on pretty much the same subject. So rather than have a duplicate article that had problems like the reference issue, anyone entering "Media Introduction Event" will be redirected to the "Media Event" article. On your talk page, King4057 said that a "Media Introduction Event" isn't really the same

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September 2012 for the == comment change. No wonder I was not familiar with seeing it - until then it had been at the end, just as I had seen. I am sure that someone noticed that putting it on the next line introduces white space and someone tried putting it into the heading. Whether the heading

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Puncuatation is not previously part of my field of expertise, but article titles is, as I am a frequent contributor to WP:RM and have a long history of examining titles. I do believe that I am up to speed on hyphens and endashes to know what I am talking about, and I believe the MOS is basically

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I didn't change this phrase because I didn't understand it: "that renounced to reflex actual situation". To renounce something (it's a transitive verb) is to say that you won't do it any more. For instance, to renounce a religion is to leave that religion, or to renounce alcohol is to say you'll

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That was about as mild a reminder of the expectation of civility as can be made. WP:CIVIL states "Incivility consists of ... aggressive behaviours that disrupt the project and lead to unproductive stress and conflict." It is not unreasonable to find the tone of MF's response to fall under that

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is one that was added from the other signon). There is a troublesome pattern with much of the unsourced material that was added to these pages, and to others that were not newly created pages, that has to do with automatic translations and with copying material from one page indiscriminately to

2239:, and then copy WikiPuppies' software and install it. Yes, your version is better; in particular future users won't have to remember to use   afterwards to avoid the linefeed. This morning, I was going to add nbsp to all the More boxes so I could add visible linefeeds and get closer to 1133:

Just caught you on the recent changes, and lucky for you, your name came to the top of the list. Anyway, I need help. I just created this account, been editing from IP's, and all I ask for is to edit protected pages. But I can't. I need someone to solve this problem for me. Can you help me out?

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I had to check the date of that essay because it sounded awful familiar. One area that I have spent a lot of time at is WP:RM, and a lot of nuances of capitalization and punctuation as a result. WP is by definition a local consensus, because we have far more readers than editors, and have an

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The MoS is not a collection of hard rules, but you consider the Wilkes-Barre rule (before DickLyon's recent edit) to be a much harder rule than the rule that was intended for one specific article, the Mexican–American War. Trying to stretch Wilkes-Barre into a hard rule applying to the

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others, e.g., from one plant family to another, or from one geographic location to another. Untangling the resulting mess is a lot of work, and I wanted to be sure you are aware of this before you possibly waste time cleaning up text that turns out to be a falsehood. Best wishes,

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and fixed it there, which makes no sense that I can see. I'd like very much to start a new set in Prep 4; in any case, a set that's on the front page shouldn't also be sitting in a prep area, unless for a very few minutes. It's been twenty. I'm going to revert in another ten.

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page, which doesn't list any rules with a "P" prefix – but I'm sure you must be correct (I'm being sincere), because you probably have more DYK experience than I do. For my edification, can you tell me where the "P" shortcuts you referred to in the edit summary are located?

3245: 808:, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students. 3711:

you suggested. After ruminating on the language, please let me know if you have any additional thoughts on point. I would prefer to settle such debates, rather than kick the can down the road or simply tee up a future controversy. Thanks for this and all future input.

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In fact, a good case could be made by purists that this is actually the correct syntax. The real issue was what the title said, the need for "else" or "other". Thanks for humoring the madman and his globally-ubiquitous pet peeve. I shan't harass you any more. Cheers!

114:. You might look at that edit to see how I fixed the references. You can look at it by looking at the editing history (my link above), and then click the "prev" button that corresponds to the edit you want to look at. Or if the last sentence was too confusing, just 3680:" be "... should be uniformly written ..."? If you meant to describe Knowledge (XXG)'s actual practice, then the word "uniformly" seems exaggerated for almost any actual practice on Knowledge (XXG). In this case, I found slashes about 5% of the time. See 3499:

wasn't much time to consider before. I'm not sure what his opinion of Wavelength's edit would have been. But it's curious that you would sympathize with him without knowing any of his good qualities, or anything more than that he was banned for socking.

1232:"1000 sentences which are divided into about 100 chapters." That is an average of 10 sentences per chapter. In modern books, 10 sentences would be a long paragraph, not a chapter. But there wasn't an easy way for me to check if those numbers were right. 1096:(past) work helping editors understand DYK, and I also thank you for taking time to respond to my confusion over P1. No need to reply to this message. Even if my understanding is still wrong, rest assured I am dropping the subject and moving on. 602:

Yes, if you understand the difference between "political" and "police"; "political" relates to rulers, their supporters and opponents, such as the Bach government you mentioned; "police" look for thieves and other criminals and take them to jail.

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The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and

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I don't understand the reference to DYKFN as an example of "identified them by the same prefix letters as in the full list". F2 at DYKFN, for instance, matches A4 at supplementary guidelines. It doesn't match F anything at supplementary

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The "one link" rule/enforcement has gotten out of hand, I'm trying to get something closer to rationality. You seem to be one of the people that is somewhere in the middle on this issue -- your comments would be helpful. Thanks

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If you know "a lot of nuances of capitalization and punctuation", then do you know there's no way to parse that sentence, among other errors on this page? Or that WP:POINTedly should be WP:POINTed, among several other errors in

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of the 172 examples do not have a preview available. "Photography: A Cultural History" by Mary Marien does not for me say what punctuation Mexican American War uses until I click preview. I am quoting the current status of the

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The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released.

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correctly. All I am saying is that some of these odd changes were made after the topic ban. Although I see that they were already blocked for a year in February, a month before the topic ban, for "Abusing multiple accounts".

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Great work, guys! I think the "More" template is wonderful; but it needs to be a notch or two smaller. The overall effect on the page is pretty intrusive, and we wouldn't want this to work against so valuable an innovation.

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Sure, Art. I'm simply congratulating both of you on good work so far, and putting out the idea that the template might work better if it rendered smaller – for possible discussion and possible action. What do you think,

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thing, but that information should really be included in the "Media Event" article. Whatever; they presumably know more about media events than I do, so discuss it with them. There is more explanation of redirects at

2627:(search for "a newly available home") clearly states that "globally-ubiquitous" should be de-hyphen-ified!!! Of course if you want to argue that the Manual is wrong, I shall quickly direct you to its talk page ... 3870: 418: 1024:. Before I made the change, I spent several minutes looking for this rule referenced as "P1" and never found it, and in a random check, it appeared that other pages listing just sections of the full list of 345:

No, I'm not game to run over to WQA; I'm puzzled that anyone would stick up for Malleus under those circumstances, so what I really need to recalibrate is my understanding of Knowledge (XXG) politics.

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All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.

2954:. The "hyphen only" quote is definitely not a slap on the wrist for using en dashes. It is a reaction to a reaction to edit warring over hyphens versus en dashes. So first, the reaction was a 377: 148:, the Knowledge (XXG) custom is to add it to the bottom, not up here. There should also be a heading like you see on the rest of the page, encoded like ==Media Introduction Event references==. 3869:

I noticed your username commenting at an Arbcom discussion regarding civility. An effort is underway that would likely benifit if your views were included. I hope you will append regards at:

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Hey. While you're at it, could you de-bold the French Open article? It has no prose update at all. Instead, the two winners' articles have the required updates and should be bolded. Thanks! —

667: 1059:"One page" doesn't include everything, on the theory that you could understand the rest of the system without that exception. However, we could change that if people use it the way you did. 3429:

Recognizing and accepting mistakes readily is always helpful. How many kids have been caught and tried to lie their way out of it and kept making it worse. How many socks have done that!

1713:. But if you meant that he wrote a book about the history of art, whose title is different or unknown, then it should be "a history of art for Jan Otto" ("a" not "the", and uncapitalize). 572:

They "avoided reflecting the political situation" at all, no relation to the police system of the time so I used the phrase without the ending words, sounds ok, doesn't it? Thanks again

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That was a bit of a stretch as far as instances of incivility go. Art, if you really think this was uncivil, let's run it over to WQA or AN/I and see if anyone agrees with you. Game? --

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My usual contribution is copyediting, watching for incivility, and finding rules others have forgotten. But should "sports seasons spanning two calendar years are uniformly written as

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Which is more important, the rule or the article? If several other articles depend on or will depend on the same rule, then the rule is more important. If not, then the rule is

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Hi, seeing your edits to improve the text on this page, I wondered if you are aware that it is one of quite a few pages added from (at least) two signons that are now blocked (

2967:, but you would surely need to find a great many people who agree with your "proper name" theory before there could be any question of overturning that hard-fought settlement. 2269:

The name "More box" isn't taken, so I don't see anything wrong with using it. As for "the template can be used on other projects", that much politics is pretty much beyond my

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article be more appropriate? However, I'm not sure there is a really good solution because our usual rule is to remove links to articles like the Germans article according to

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Thank you for your excellent and consistent work on the DYK queues and prep areas to make sure the hooks and image rollovers are grammatically sound and formatted properly.

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The deadline was imposed with the thought that our endless edit warring could morph into a more productive settlement with Arbitration Committee supervision. Our existing

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appears in an edit summary, though, is not the least important to me. There are very few target comments used anyway. But thanks for taking the trouble to find the diff.

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What do you think of the idea of making the template more generic? That is, don't include the "MOS:" name place, so the template can be used on other projects where a

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The issue was the need for "else". With "or more" being closest in position to "anyone", our ears tend to find "than" to be natural, but I'd certainly not argue with

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seem to have repeatedly failed to achieve consensus (other than agreeing that the most COMMONNAME in English should be used as the article title), and there has been

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also creates a problem; when one clicks a link to "Czechs" or "Germans" one expects to simply read about Czechs or Germans, not just their nationalistic movements.

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Oh, and "I do as much as anyone to keep ..." would surely be OK if it were a math formula like a+b=b+a, without bothering to exclude the case a=b as a tautology.

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Art, as an MOS regular whose measured opinion I respect, I would be grateful if you would review this recent change I made to Manual of Style/Dates and numbers:

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All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.

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You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated

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As someone who regularly contributes to election articles: Due to recurrent discussions that lead nowhere, an open-ended discussion and proposals are invited

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Hi Art, I think this time there will be a lot to correct (not because of the article lenght but due to my state of ingnorance last days). Thanks in advance.

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tag on the line after the last part of the template code, which allowed the carriage return at the end of the template code to be included. Shifting the

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I thought about removing MOS: myself (since it's just text and I wouldn't have to know much about the software). As it is, I had to make a new redirect

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Sorry. I have copyedited hooks for years, but I have never reviewed a complete article, a task requiring judgments on several issues I haven't studied.

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Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at

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You have absolutely no insight into your own behaviour, which I find quite illuminating although not entirely surprising for you civility warriors.

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Thank you, that was my first impression as well, but I was not sure enough to make a correction. I appreciate your assistance, and your insight. --

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in producing dashes, not a preference for hyphens. But don't convince me; I avoid decisions like that. Convince them." For instance, Google shows

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Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)

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guideline we have today. That may help you understand why any attempt to laugh off that whole history and start over is a non-starter. Of course

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as a hyphen, but it's a dash when you click it. But you are still quoting "2 or 3%". That wouldn't be an example of why others accuse you of

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that Dicklyon has moved to close the RFC/U, with a summary on the talkpage. Editors may now support or oppose the motion, or add comments:

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P1 was D8 when I first started transforming it from what is now supplementary guidelines. But it was P1 by the time it left my user space.

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so the best should be to try the Germans and hope it is still not seen as overlinked. Thank you for noticing all these kinds of details.

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And I see your point. The existing "More" links are the first thing I notice, and distracts somewhat from reading the rest of the page.

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The second edit was mine, using the correct reference format /ref not ref/ and some related changes, although I think you really wanted

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You are a member of the group of "anyone", so the missing word is "else". (Art LaPella cannot possibly do more than Art LaPella does.)

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needs a non-intuitive parameter of the form NUM#Paragraph heading, so it can start with MOS: . So that would also confuse future users.

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Apparently all administrators are getting this request, and others are explaining to Pavan that Knowledge (XXG) doesn't work that way.

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which I hope will be used by newcomers in particular, so see that article's "capitalization" section for an explanation of that edit).

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Thank you for the thorough job! As for the first two points it was what I meant, in the third I just thought I linked it to German

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I don't have a strong opinion about which version is "ugly", and I'm waiting to see if anyone else shares your opinion. I notified

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A discussion on the encyclopedic need for the use of military dates on United States military related articles is taking place at

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where the page went or how to find it to edit. Call me blonde, but this is very complicated and I"m completely lost. AlysonDutch

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Actually, I don't recall expressing an opinion on "one link". I have expressed the opinion that debate on linking articles like

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Happy (but at least not last:) New Year. Here is my first article in it. Thank you in advance for checking my worsening English.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Linking#What_generally_should_not_be_linked_can_we_bring_this_to_closure

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Please participate in the RFC discussion of whether Thondaiman has built the Tirumala Temple. Pavan 23:40, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

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edits often don't get much acknowledgement, so I wanted to let you know that your work is noticed and is greatly appreciated!

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Thank you. I tried to correct or explain the first four points in the text of the article. You were right in the last point.

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If you want a discussion of whether to be civil, years ago I wrote an opinion resembling yours at the civility section of

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anyone making the mistake of thinking that the consensus wants to overturn the entire Mexican–American War debate, as in

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Maybe I did not word that very well. I was not expressing sympathy but noting that the number of editors had decreased.

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warring on moving pages and so Arbcom imposed a temporary moratorium on page moves involving endashes and hyphens, no?

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Obviously, you do as much as Art Lapella (who is part of the group of "anyone") does. Stating a tautology, so to speak.

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And the last edit was DoriSmith's, which removed the entire article and replaced it with a redirect to "Media event".

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OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!! As a math guy, I have little formal training in language, but I can read the Manual of Style:

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If you followed the above, Telpardec has demonstrated much more understanding of the relevant software than I have.

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If you have a dictionary then now might be a good time to consult it for the meaning of "accuse". Jeez, you people!

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Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Knowledge (XXG) appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited

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Don't feel bad; this is ubiquitous (and probably hopeless). But to this writer, who created the following userbox,

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have read. I might have read all those books too, but I haven't. I think you meant to say that Tyrš read books by

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indirectly criticized the USSR without naming it? Or do you mean the books were unrelated to politics in any way?

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guideline is the eventual result of that settlement, with few changes since then. Septentrionalis, also known as

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Art, instead of fixing this on the main page, where the problem was, you resurrected the entire main page set in

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continuing to the next section. Some there think "umlaut" has other meanings, so that would be the place to ask.

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I can think of few things I'd like less than to discuss airy-fairy notions of civility with a misguided zealot.

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I had a more positive experience with the recent rule that the main MoS page overrules its subpages, described

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those authors. So I changed "or" to "and". In the next paragraph, I similarly changed another "or" to "and".

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Okay. I'll go ahead and work on the transition to generic, and handle the resulting changes to SMOS coding.

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Hi Art. Can you please check my next Czech hook and its subject - Miroslav Tyrš article? Did you know that

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in favor of a better organized/simplified MoS, which—guess what—seems to have been forgotten already. ;-)

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Knowledge (XXG):Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement/Evidence#Evidence submitted by SandyGeorgia

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When you add a comment to a talk page, either a user talk page like this one or an article talk page like

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How are you defining "incivility"? Anything said by an editor you don't like, as it seems that Art does?

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in an analysis of Knowledge (XXG) articles on mass shootings. Thank you for your editing work. Cheers,

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The discussion you linked wasn't about WP:SMOS, it was about renaming pages that once had names like

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If "as much" was the only comparator used, without "or more", it doesn't change the need for "else":

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So there are no references to fix, because the page is gone (unless you want to undo that edit, see

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is the link I probably should have provided. As its brown introduction indicates, it resulted from

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Note that the questioned way is correct if the superlative, rather than the comparative, is used:

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description. No formal sanction was being proposed, so John's contribution is disproportionate.

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The article includes several 20th-century dates. They can't be right because Kolář died in 1896.

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not a preference for hyphens. But don't convince me; I avoid decisions like that. Convince them.

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Done, although it still says "I do as much ... than anyone else". Oh well, it isn't an article.

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Thank you for your excellent work on a Simplified MOS. You may be interested in the discussion

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an opinion on diacritics then of course that is bad, but the only such discussion I found was

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Mexican–American War is a much better example of what that ArbCom resolution was expressing.

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The original idea of Learning DYK was to replace (not add to) the existing lists of rules at

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because that was the easiest way to make WP:YEAR start with MOS: . A link to a section in

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This user recognizes that even if 300,000,000 people make the same mistake, it's still

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prompt is useful. I was thinking about moving it to something like "Template:More box".

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Th way wikipedia does. If you don't accept it, please find your way to the exit.

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Thank you for quality educational correction of mistakes in spelling, grammar and

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to you to thank you for all of the corrections which you make. I know that little

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absurd? I know you get away with such things regularly, but the rest of us don't.

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now, it goes to an older article called Media Event. That is because if you click

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should focus on the usual incidental links, not links from related articles like

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the word "More" in the template, so it would be the same color as the link text.

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without bothering to research usage, though it's easy to research usage by using

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That's good in a way, because it means that you won't waste a lot of your time.

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for ITN on the main page as to what should be recurrent without ITNC discussions

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You are invited to join the discussion at ]. Pavan 23:40, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

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You're welcome. It looks like people in that discussion are already aware of

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Ah, never mind me. I just figured it out. I'll go find an administrator...

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reflect" or "waived to touch" or something like that? Thank you for advice.

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Thanks. (As noted, the comma added to the DYK before it makes sense. The

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If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at

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Knowledge (XXG):Requests for comment/Civility enforcement/Questionnaire

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List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States 2012

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because that's how I arrived at the name, and the image is a modified

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Therefore you compound your false charge of incivility by dishonesty.

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All American Hockey League (2008–2011)#Individual trophies and awards

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My first impression was " was killed by", and this was confirmed at

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the wake of the US Civil War.) No desire to argue the point, though!

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times" text that you put in the protected blurb for the June 5 TFA.

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for any other purpose except to edit protected Main Page sections.

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Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

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Hi Art, can you please check my hook and language of the article?

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You're welcome. I'll put it with my barnstars on my user page.

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Point taken, I've wasted too much time on the wiki today too.

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You're welcome. I've refactored it slightly. I always mention

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on my talk page, and I thought I would come here and award an

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Glad to see you got it squared away on the main page. Thanks.

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report was in error, a fact that has been noted on that page.

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You're welcome. (What does a Knowledge (XXG) nerd say next?)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Anthony Davis (basketball)‎

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User:Art LaPella/Devil's Dictionary of Knowledge (XXG) Policy

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Or perhaps the brave Art might like to try for a bigger fish?

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Hi Art LaPella. You may be interested to know that you have

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in the past. However it seems that IIO and others have been

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The third edit was also mine, uncapitalizing (we now have a

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Although you are incidental here, I'm required to notify:

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:In the news/Recurring items/Elections

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Here is the editing history of "Media Introduction Event".

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Here's what I know about comments inside the equal signs.

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Twice you described an "alter" as "ilusive". I corrected

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Ah, you resubmitted it. Well, I shall leave this here.--

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It says that the first edit was yours, creating the page.

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Knowledge (XXG):Manual of Style (Islam-related articles)

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Just wanted to say thanks for your helpful edits on the

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Many thanks in advance for your comments and thoughts.

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OK. Of course new participants come and go regularly.

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Or to rephrase it, because I can edit more articles.

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above (regardless of whose argument is more valid):

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page! It was like a fairy came and cleaned my room.

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One comma good, one comma bad for DYK on front page

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Can you review this?-- 8: 1217:. Can you please check its English? Thanks. 1207:I wanted to remark the 420th anniversary of 443:"What's in a name? That which we call a rose 3944:Knowledge (XXG):Requests for comment/Apteva 2510:-- which now includes WY among US states. 2478:(sorry, a pet peeve of logic, not grammar) 1718:In the hook, you probably know it needs an 3007:Passed 9 to 0, 22:47, 23 March 2012 (UTC)" 132:Knowledge (XXG):Simplified Manual of Style 3982: 2592:to keep simple errors off the Main Page." 1870:Thank you. I'll copy it to my user page. 1804: 445:By any other name would smell as sweet." 3873:Thank you for considering this request. 1778:are two similar but different articles. 1022:Knowledge (XXG):Did you know/Not exactly 2859:Thank you. I put it with my barnstars. 2778:'s article! Enjoy the virtual cookie. 2504:""Wyoming has fewer residents than any 1623:That's what must have happened. 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