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Economist. I have given one example (Iceland) in which you insist on giving various excuses, but there are more. For instance the Newsweek list states the UK as no 14 ahead of countries like France or Austria. If you read the Economist methodology, which is by far more accurate, (even for 2005 standards supposely) you will see why it is ranked relatively low. The UK might have a relatively high GDP per capita, but a high social breakdown as well, which offsets any gains in GDP per capita. Whoever has been in the UK, France and Austria knows who has the better quality of life (and this is not the UK). Also placing Czech Republic and Slovenia (two ex-communist countries), which only recently became part of the EU, above Greece sounds a bit funny. The bottom line is that we need to focus on the SOURCE rather than the DATE. The source is always ahead of the date. Newsweek magazine might be excellent in spreading the news, but the Economist is the standard for economic and development matters.
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Newsweek doesn't rank some other very high HDI tiny countries (whose population is less than 1 million) ranked by Economist: Iceland, Cyprus and Malta, and doesn't rank some other high HDI tiny countries (whose population is less than 1 million) ranked by Economist: Bahrain, Barbados, Montenegro, Trinidad and Tobago. The only exception is Luxembourg, being a tiny country ranked in Newsweek's index, because Luxembourg consitutes one political entity along with Belgium (being a big country), that is called
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Economist had been widely used as the reference for its "Quality of life index" - during the last five years, because no other celebrated body had made any other (similar) thorough survey - during this long period. However, something changed last week, on 15/8/2010, when
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website may be blacklisted for now (for some weird and temporary reason), but the magazine itself and its annual index is obviously not blacklisted, and they are a major source of up-to-date information. Again, please stop threatening other users with "being reported", me included. My apologies for
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Im not against photographs, actually I want them a lot and if you see i ve decorated most of greek articles which were "empty" but...as it is "greece" right now ....1)the reader feels uncomfortable of the many photos around the text and 2)the article seems a little bit ugly
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