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1377:(without page numbering). I could multiply this disattention, or insouciance to quality sources, or lack of awareness of what focused sourcing requires, thousands of times. In so many futile edit conflicts, many simply do not appear to understand that everything that they might wish to represent, on either side, can be got from academic books printed by University presses. If you used, as a sophomore, Hirsch and co, not area specialists, to footnote such a self-evident statement, your supervisor would rap you over the knuckles (in the old days) and give you a three minute lecture on the proper methodology of how to source what. The wiki guidelines are overpowering on etiquette etc., but these elementary principles, though regarded as optimal, do not seem to be understood even by experienced editors, who are too prepossessed with every formal requirement save the requirement to write according to the best formal sources available. Sorry for this longueur. But I really do think a page on simple compositional rules, making a hierarchy for what is a reliable source, would help avoid a huge amount of effort wasted in the politics of squabbling over POVs. Cheers 1524:. Let me preface this by saying that when you write something I am going to pay attention and try and heed any advice you pass along, because as far as I can tell you are one of the few editors on this project that commands the respect of both 'sides' in that area of contentious editing. But, as you said everybody in that thread carries some guilt, I would be interested in knowing what it is that you think I should be correcting in my behavior. It was my feeling that the user which that thread was focused on followed Tiamut just to annoy her in a pretty easily recognizable case of hounding, something for which that user had been warned for in the past. If I did something wrong in bringing this up please let me know, but I felt that was in keeping with 1360:
without setting off a vast and delicately calibrated series of resonances through the commentaries of later ages. These two are so complex that, in the end, one does well to use secondary sources. One cannot strictly speaking use the Talmud or the commentaries to write any article because of the technical reasons I gave above. In the Susya article before example, David Amit's essay makes it quite clear that tensions between distinct halakhic rulings in the Talmud exist between the Berakot and Bara Batra tractates (as is so often the case, hence the commentaries), and if one uses primary sources, then the dangers of partial synthesis or selective emphasis are huge.
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Just to reply here, which is more appropriate. I've never thought of articles on Judaism as part of the I/P area, so my suggestion wouldn't affect them. It is true that we have huge academic sources for the I/P area, whereas, if one compares secondary academic sources on Judaism to the sheer quantity
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You can find quite a substantial academic literature now on the most refined points of distinction and controversy, and it would be good if some systematic work were undertaken to begin to wikify these numerous pages. Talmudic citation is parlous enough, since no section of the Talmud can be touched
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I saw Rlevse's log entry promoting you on my watchlist and figured if I was really fast I could get my congratulations in ahead of everyone else. (Rlevse, what I do is open several browser windows so I can promote the person and post a talk page message at almost exactly the same time, so that other
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Not sure if you meant half-baked in the way that I would normally use it, but I'll keep your words in mind. I do agree that there are issues with users on 'both sides'; there are users on 'my side' of things that I think are terrible editors and I honestly wouldn't mind seeing them leave, and there
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1:4). As Solomon Freehof has pointed out, that rule was intended to apply to contemporary courts, but ‘Orthodoxy in recent centuries preferred, in its nervousness, to take the dictum to mean something that it was never intended to mean, namely, that no court of any generation can ever change the
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and it said "Expired", so I flipped the crat switch, then I saw the ending time was a few hours away yet. Why there was this discrepancy, I don't know, but I decided to go ahead and finish the job of closing it rather than leave it half done. It's a clear promote at 96% anyway,
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First, congratulations and welcome back, hope you had an enjoyable holiday. I have a question that I hope you can answer; is there any way to have in the en.wiki watchlist pages from commons? It is a bit of an annoyance going back and forth just to check on things. Thanks,
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of primary sources, commentaries on the Talmud, the specialist secondary literature might not often cope adequately with the niceties and complexities of Judaic tradition. As a general rule, in the latter, however, I still think the articles on Judaism poorly done by.
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I'll add good wishes, as well. You might also want to know that, as you're using the word in your nom, you want "community's", not "communities." I'd change it myself, but some people might take it the wrong way or have a problem with that.
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Thanks for the quick reply. The old name has retired on it, and I assume that no one else could have taken it, although I have been known -- on occasion -- to make wrong assumptions. I will go ahead and make the request. Thanks again.
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I hear a man of Sephardic background, whose learning was enriched through cross-congregational dialogue, writing with a scientific and quite individually nuanced mind, in this judgement which is brief, yet nicely phrased to allow for
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I want find out if I can return to my former user name, or if it will be necessary to create a new user name. It is not clear to me of this is possible to return to the old one; and if it is possible, if that can be done on
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Some edits just scream "revert me now". I never knew I could be bored after two sentences. Seriously, I hesitate when messing with others' talk pages. I didn't think you'd want that displayed, though. See ya 'round.
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Dammit!! I always miss these things, am as slow as a wet week on the wiki uptake and my recent bad temper's no excuse either. Whatever it was you got nominated for, you fully deserve it. Full steam ahead, Avi, and best
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opinion of any other court, in whatever generation it lived, unless this modern court that wants to change the law can claim to be greater in number and wisdom than the predecessor’.’ John D.Tayner,
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All this aside, please do not punish them for my issues. These types of "mistrials" are only damaging the Knowledge (XXG) community. If you wish to learn about my story, I'll answer any question.
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for a bit and will not be even thinking about this place while I am there, so maybe that will give me an opportunity to relax and help me work on WorkingWithEachOther. See you around,
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if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Knowledge (XXG) (see
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people can't get in ahead of me like that. :-) That was great, Avi, getting people to switch to support with your Q12. Are you still able to edit abuse filters?
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I know you've dealt with this user in the past, so I'll be straight - I'm a former meatpuppet of his who he recruited a few years back. The user was a bit like
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Your view on circumcision seems to be rather biased. Please try to stay as neutral as possible in the debate. Why do try to suppress reliable information?
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Congratulations. I wanted to close it so bad...but Rlevse beat me to the punch. I told you third time's the charm on my RFB, and it looks like I was right.
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accounts too to avoid possible confusion? I have an account aum-en here on en.wiki as you can see. Can it be connected to AUM somehow? Thanks.
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may believe the BMA is contradicting itself, but you have not adequately demonstrated that, and thus your reversion seems based on (at least)
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which passed today at 8/0/0 unanimously. I will endeavor to justify the trust the WP community has placed in me....Have a nice day. :-) --
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You very much deserve the strong support you got. Good luck with the new duties, and thanks for volunteering to take them on!
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I'm really sorry for this, and for any upset that he caused you, or any Checkuser/sysop/Wikimedian. But I live and learn. --
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I am surprised at some of the comments you have been making on the West Bank Workshop, and have initiated a discussion on
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The Aryeh Kaplan Reader: The Gift He Left Behind: Collected Essays on Jewish Themes from the Noted Writer and Thinker
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principles . . .that one court may not rescind the decision of another unless it is superior in wisdom and number (
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Do you think I should create a separate case for the first account created in the third set of confirmed socks on
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Yes but 'Orthodox' here only begs the question, as does the citation of Menachem Elon on one aspect of the issue.
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schools), is substantially ignored. There were substantial differences between the two on issues like monogamy/
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In general the I/P articles don't take much interest in quality sources (I noted last night that the lead of
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Hi. This little form letter is just a courtesy notice to let you know that a proposal to merge the projects
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except he did use talk pages. I'm just being open and honest here. I've decided to make a fresh start, per
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are certainly users from the 'other side' that I have considerable respect for. Whatever, I am going
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confirmed and the name only quoted from an email, and from the contributions it's also obvious that
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The academic literature, to give only a very small sampling, would supply things like the following:
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I viewed the answer to Q12 as tl;dr at first, but after you asked me, I read it over and moved to
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Hi, I am AUM from cz.wiki. I would like to make unified account as AUM, but I have found this:
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underline the point I wished to make. In the Acharonim article you direct me to, we read:-
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me back to you, so I figured I'd inquire as to how things were progressing. Best regards,
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to my userspace? It was a very helpful essay, and I'm sorry to see it deleted. Thanks, —
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I'm glad to see your RfB. I have registered my support and wish you the best of luck!
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Avi, I didn't mean to close your RFB early, I saw the pink background on your RFB at
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Category:Knowledge (XXG) administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles
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Please explain how in your view, the BMA's quoted statement "contradicts the BMA."
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It has been customary for a while (at least I think) to use account names such as
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This secondary academic source sounds to my unwashed ears like a Reform reading.
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Thanks, it does indeed look promising (but soooo slow). Enjoy your time away,
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Congratulations! I have no doubt you will wear the bureaucratic mantle well.
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You were on RFB? Woah. I should've supported you; if I knew, I would've! :)
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between the opinions found among the Rishonim, they do not dispute them
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My various attempts at resolving the issue we previously discussed keep
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I'd like to extend my congratulations too, Avi. Welcome to the team. —
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I find it rather funny that you've positively concluded that
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at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
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That is very Orthodox, conservative and peremptory, but
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Congrats, and thanks for volunteering to do more work.
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If you start a new system, such as 1736:I sincerely thank you for closing my 1314:‘The opinions of the Rishonim gained 7: 1864:him, as he did recruit meatpuppets. 1057:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Fair use 675:Well done, use your new tools well! 1805:so much for the great news! Wow! -- 1375:New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy 989:. Your advice will be appreciated. 1688:Congrats on your first +sysop Avi! 1617:Hi Avi, I'd welcome your views on 1338:, Mesorah Publications, 1983 p.213 847:I'm glad that you're a 'crat now. 24: 1318:universal acceptance through the 1187:The two examples you provided of 1161:, and to the later rifts between 1886: 1762: 1071:has met with general support at 486:Nicely done, Avraham. 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However, it is currently 1798:my RfA closing notification 2086: 1538:22:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC) 1510:09:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC) 1498:07:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC) 1478:18:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC) 1454:01:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC) 1431:19:39, 25 April 2009 (UTC) 1387:13:11, 25 April 2009 (UTC) 1328:without overwhelming proof 1126:11:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC) 1094:16:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC) 1084:16:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC) 1042:04:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC) 1015:19:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC) 999:18:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC) 975:15:14, 19 April 2009 (UTC) 951:21:27, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 927:18:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC) 912:17:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC) 889:17:55, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 875:17:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC) 802:Yes Congratulations :-) -- 744:21:51, 11 April 2009 (UTC) 1760: 1738:BAG membership nomination 1735: 1292:Berghahn Books, 1998 p.38 1206:Orthodox Jewish tradition 866:11:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC) 839:02:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC) 825:00:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC) 811:23:37, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 796:22:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 780:22:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 766:22:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 727:21:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 709:21:41, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 685:21:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 668:21:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 643:20:45, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 627:20:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 601:20:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 570:20:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 554:20:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 543:20:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 514:20:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 502:20:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 481:20:12, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 459:00:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 419:15:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC) 392:22:08, 2 April 2009 (UTC) 373:13:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC) 361:00:48, 2 April 2009 (UTC) 42:of past discussions with 2070:00:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC) 2045:22:11, 24 May 2009 (UTC) 2014:22:40, 24 May 2009 (UTC) 1988:21:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC) 1943:Minor case clarification 1938:05:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC) 1877:21:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC) 1845:03:32, 13 May 2009 (UTC) 1815:21:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC) 1793:18:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC) 1757:09:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC) 1722:12:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC) 1708:00:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC) 1678:00:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC) 558:Yeah, you earned it. -- 1894:File:Stuart Adamson.jpg 1648:Tinucherian's talk page 1630:03:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC) 1608:08:25, 3 May 2009 (UTC) 1558:03:25, 1 May 2009 (UTC) 89: 76: 69: 62: 2020:Inexplicable reversion 1955:), you mentioned that 1644: 1340: 1294: 1243: 1067:into the newly formed 1891:Thanks for uploading 1643: 1312: 1261: 1235: 1143:(b) too many violate 1621:, if you have time. 1503:I've replied there. 1436:Thanks a million. — 987:WP:Changing username 578:Now add yourself to 1907:You may add it back 1826:User:Renamed user 2 1466:m:User talk:Avraham 1371:Israeli Settlements 1089:P.S. 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