User talk:Ched/Archive 22 - Knowledge (XXG)

430::-D ... hey Buster. Ummm .. the brief of it is that I received an (I assume) unrelated email that left me feeling rather ... ahhh .. uncomfortable. This morning I looked into changing my username to something that wasn't my real life name. I was off-line a bit, and when I came back I noticed that a huge dust-up had occurred surrounding a couple editors with whom I had worked. I don't want there to be any perception that I was avoiding or hiding anything, so right now I'm simply reading, following links, and trying to get a grasp of the entire picture the best I can. Nice quote by the way. — 1068:, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Knowledge (XXG) administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community 2313:

leaning). I'll have to admit that I often tend to avoid both the political and religious areas on wiki because of all the acrimony with both. I don't much care for bullies, tyrants, manipulators, and game players. I'm sorry I haven't had the wiki-time to research this, but of the people you've mentioned above - I think Casliber is a fine, upstanding, and honorable choice to request guidance from. From all I've seen, he would be fair - and do his best to do the right thing. Let me know how it all turns out. —

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would have been SOOOO much different here. (for the better). By the way - I'd been trying to recall what single item drew me to understand the honesty, integrity, and true grit that's inherent in you. I had many folks question why when I so very seldom involve myself at AC why I'd speak in defense of you. Then in the last few days, I noticed several high-profile block/unblock things go down .. and it hit me. Once long ago

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Is this all over that capitalization of birds issue/thread that I once noticed? (I still think the comment in that thread about "birds can't read - so what's the difference" was the best.) I had a quick look at the talk page (first link in this thread), and my first impression at first blush is that

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If you want to discuss that other case offline, feel free. Regarding the user in question here, I was hopeful that they would shift their focus to actual articles, which is what wikipedia is theoretically supposed to be about. I'm sure that sounds funny coming from me, but I so have a lot of items on

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Hi Buster, good to see you. I did skim that essay, but I admit that I haven't gotten the full wealth of it quite yet, and I haven't followed through on many of the links. On first blush, yes, I agree that the Kenatipo comment shown above is indeed very offensive. (at least to those with a religious

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There's a genuine irony in seeing DR Jobar's request. I have tenure with him and we have a truly unique Knowledge (XXG) relationship. He is by everything known to me, a genuinely good person, deeply principled, and of strenuous ability. He once had over 100 students in a single course, and managed to

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we had talked, and I saw you would give respect if it was given to you, I threatened to overturn a block on you (perhaps to prove a point about what was right? (may have been the sycophant one)... I don't know). Anyway - with all that's going on it hit me. You told me to calm down, the block was no

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19:13, 29 February 2012 (UTC) ... Oh, and thank you by the way - a very nice compliment that I appreciate greatly. There are quite a number of good, mature adults about the project - I think it's just very often they don't inject themselves into situations where a lot of mud-slinging is going on.

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Very true. Actually, I admit I'm pretty bad about noticing sock stuff, but there is one account that sure has caught my eye lately. I suspect it's trouble waiting to happen, but we'll see. Actually I was kind of hoping that MSK would come do good work here rather than raise a fuss - thought maybe

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Hi Bbb23 .. truly sorry for not following up on that .. to be honest I'd assumed that someone would have put it up for MfD. Probably a nice kid and all, but yea - not really sure I'd want a son or daughter of mine doing that. If you do put it up for MfD, let me know, and I'll support it's removal,

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Thank you for your interest, and I'll review this over the next few days. As I am registered with my real name, anonymity wouldn't be possible in my case. I don't use Skype, and it's been years since I socialized at IRC, but I'm sure something could be arranged. I'll be in touch by the end of the

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I don't know - could have also referred to the Pumpkinsky/Rlevse threads. For myself, I find it better at times to not try to read anything into a post unless it's pretty explicit. Anyway, I noticed the word "sleep" above, and think it may be time to try to find some of that. Catch everyone later

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There's actually several interesting(?) things in play at the moment. Along with the entire AC debacle(s), there's a user Fae being addressed. It seem for the moment that at least the Mistress something or other has been resolved. In the end, I really hate to see folks driven off the project, but

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On one hand, Kim will eventually be back, she's quit in a huff before. On the other hand,SMc WAS out of line to lay out the personal attack that occurred and call her a WP:DIVA -- that was right up there with WP:DICK and was uncalled for, particularly when the underlying issue was a capitalization

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First my apologies for not responding to this in a more timely manner. Hi Pesky - I will take a look the first chance I get, but I'll also note that Jehochman appears to be aware of the situation as well. He is also an admin., and I believe he views things objectively, and tries to offer fair and

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All is well. I've decided to leave that essay. It has become infested and shows signs of decay. I still think paid operatives subverting articles so they always slant favorably toward their bosses is a problem but the Encyclopedia will survive. I left the ball in the middle of the floor. If someone

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that, in a round about way, was about him. (Are you dizzy yet?) I did it as a courtesy thinking he may wish to make a reply or have input. Absoltuely no animas was intended. I had "canvassed" my friends (you included) and was just beginning to "canvas" the few editors that may have been in support

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Beloved friend, swift stallion, wild deer, / leopard ranging in the wilderness — / together we crossed the mountains, together / we slaughtered the Bull of Heaven, we killed / Humbaba, who guarded the Cedar Forest — / O Ched, what is this sleep that has seized you, / that has darkened your face and

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I was just reading through an AN/I thread. My guess is that this will be the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back. All good things come to those who wait I think. I give you credit for being spot-on from the first. But I find that's often the case - you have a good eye for that kind of

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Your instinct to reach out and assist and lessen potential damage and hard feelings is never lacking. You put yourself on the line in a way that few others do. Ok, maybe the big picture is obscurred. Maybe you make a judgement call and it turns itself back on you. So what? Heck! Just above, in the

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time has been spent in reading through things rather than posting. I do have a few thoughts I want to share, and will do so in the next day or two. I did want to get a feel for how other folks felt about the subject before I said much. I do think some sort of "RfC" could be benificial, and I'm

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I saw some of leak stuff, both here and on WR. Actually when I read the content, the word that came to mind was: banal. But it did teach me to keep my email emptied once I'd read it and responded to it. I hadn't interacted with Mr. Leadfoot, but I'll have a gander at some of his actual article

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I honestly don't know. I noticed that there were a LOT of these form letters sent to current admins. I have to admit that discussion with those who should have passed and didn't would certainly add a great wider perspective to things. (sigh .. if only yours would have Mal, the course of things

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as he doesn't seem to get it, or at least he hasn't taken any action. The age/privacy issues are more "urgent" than the fake article issue, and it would be better if the page didn't exist. Maybe he'll take the hint now that it's been nominated and prune it because some of the stuff is perfectly

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Hey Buster ... sorry for not responding earlier, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't responding in violation of some very good "you should step away" advice first. I'll take a look. Basically I think in general paid editing should be frowned upon. I also realize it's not something that can be

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Precisely why I never cared much for the whole "sock" mentality. I always just looked at things from and account by account perspective. I think SPI has to be one of the largest wastes of time the project has. I'm also not fond of carrying grudges either - which is why I have a rather short

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My problem was with what you can see (in the history) was posted on K's talk page, really. Anyhoo, I've unwatched SMcC's talk, as he's basically told me to stop badgering him, and was clearly getting very irritated with me as well. Maybe he's just going through a particularly bad patch, or

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Well, I can say it here anyway... I used to cross swords with MF frequently. Once I understood better where he's coming from, I stopped. What this appears to me to be, is a dispute among admins, from the over-aggressive blockers such as Thumper, to the over-aggressive unblockers, who need to

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anyway - looks like I'll be pretty much away from things for a few days, but the good Lord willing, I'll hope to be back by early next week sometime. If I get a chance, and the opportunity - I drop a line or two over the weekend, but don't be surprised if I don't. ttys I hope. —

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box, you give other editors permission to chastise you ("Feel free to chastise me"). Why are you surprised when they follow your instructions? Time and time again you have shown that you have what WP needs. So...you are wrong...you DO deserve accolades; more than you get.```

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SMC seems to have dug in his heels and appears to be rather unapologetic and unyielding. Typically when I run into those types of situations, I tend to just wander off in another (less confrontational) direction. I'll research a bit more when I get the chance. —

869:. Bad=Jimbo hasnt shown up yet. Good=Collect hasnt shown up yet. It may be just what you need to get your juices flowin' again. Leave all this other "Hasa-rai" (Junk) in your rear view mirror. Not sure where you stand, but your stand is important to share. ``` 705:

Thank you very much .. but I honestly don't deserve any kind of accolades. I do try to do the right thing, but all too often my judgement is lacking. It's very tough to see the big picture here, but the more I see, the more I realize how little I see. —

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Hi there NewbyG. First, thank you very much for your much valued input in that project. I admit that I have taken somewhat of a backseat there, but I have read some of the great posts. Also, my on-wiki time is rather limited at present, and much of my

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They seem worked up. If you give them time and space to calm down, things may improve. The host editor could fix their talk page the way they like, and leave a polite note, "Please don't refactor my talk page. I keep it the way I like it. Thank you.".

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I admire so much of what you do here; but hate it when you push things to "block" levels. But, you're an adult, and I know you do things for a reason - so it's not for me to judge. You have my respect Cla68, perhaps more than you know. Cheers. —

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dispute, of all things. Kim has strong views, she doesn't need to have a sexist attack for them, SMc should have just stuck to the issue. I think we have another example of where a content dispute turned personal. Both sides should agree to just

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admin. is a very difficult and humbling experience. Personally, as one who used to vote at probably a 90% support rate - I'm not sure I'd care to see any less than 2 or more years as an editor. No big deal? ... HA - look around my friend. —

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The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and

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a Knowledge (XXG) administrator? I'd have thought that anyone who's been here more than five minutes could put you on the path of becoming an administrator. And perhaps more so those of us who failed rather than those of us who succeeded.

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Thank you for being the reliable source in person, trusting your friends even if people say they deceive you, teaching me vocabulary ("impervious to advice") and abbreviations (you know what I mean). Thank you for your faithful presence,

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I can't follow that at all. Anyone prepared to patiently follow a few simple steps can become an administrator, and if they continue in the same anodyne way could become a bureaucrat. "How to become ..." seems deeply suspicious to me.

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communicate with each other instead of wielding their various weapons unilaterally. MF has often ridiculed admins, and ironically this potential pending action actually makes his point for him. Possibly too late to do any good. :( ←

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impartial advice. I am sorry that you are experiencing troubled times on wiki (sadly, there seems to be all to much of that for many here). I will take a look the first chance I get though. <Ched gives Pesky 'gampa' hugs: -->

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big deal, and that you'd been through it before. You could have easily let me throw myself to the wolves. It could have made a point about the lack of consistency in adminship in general. The fact that you didn't judge me

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We're both grown-ups Ched, we know how the world works. I'd be prepared to make a very substantial bet that I could set up a new account and in a year or so become an administrator ... or maybe I've done that already. ;-)

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Although he's been told before, I've left a warning on his Talk page to give him a chance to voluntarily remove the article from his user page. If he doesn't, I'll nominate it. I'll keep you posted, thanks.--

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Don't give up yet. And there's always the Simple English Knowledge (XXG), which I worked on a little bit when Jimbo decided to block everyone for 24 hours. It seems to be a relatively peaceful place to work.

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I also gather that there's an arbcom case about Malleous. Can you tell me where it is? I'm not seeing it on his talk page, but I may have overlooked it. (FYI, I intend to defend him, if it's not too late.)

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one - it would be somewhat of a relief to have another "higher" view to step in and say: "These are the black and white lines that you must stay between". Oh well .. onward and upward I suppose. —

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No, and my own e-mail address is different now. I propose that one of us temporarily activate our emails and the other could send a test e-mail, then the first could quickly de-activate again. ←

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All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.

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heading for Superbowl party .. and will be busy most of tomorrow with doctor and hospital stuff. If it's important, hit the email button and it will ping me. cya when I get back (Tues. ??) —

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Sorry, but I've got to temporarily disable my email link. If there's something you want to discuss privately, feel free to drop a note here, and I'll come up with a solution. Thank you. —

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You might want to clarify your !vote on the MfD page. Davy has adopted your word (support). I think Davy is using it to mean "keep", whereas I believe you are using it to mean "delete".--

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Adding: do you know what the policy (if any) is on using collapse templates on another editor's talk page, and marking something as "resolved" on another editor's talk, at the same time

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OK .. fine with me. I'll think about what the next steps should be with that. It seems to have run its course right now. I'll post something there in the next few days. cheers. —

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William, who was of course me, did a load of good work on car and motor cycle articles. I set the account up for a quiet life, to get the vultures off my back. Didn't work though.

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My76Strat, there's a world of difference between becoming an "admin" and learning to be a true and valuable asset to this project. I have no intention of teaching anyone "how to

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yea .. looks like things were going downhill there for sure. They appear to be very knowledgeable, but not particularly friendly or open to discussion or compromise. —

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something. (But I do have to stifle a grin when someone calls me "dude"!) P.S. Actually, nobody other than admins can see it any more; it appears to have been revdel'd.

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and needs to be dealt with ASAP. Nothing I say or do will appease him. Please advise my next step or better yet, visit his talk and advise him of the seriousness of

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that there was nothing wrong with what they said, they wouldn't want to hide it from public view so quickly and so extensively. I'm a bit out of my depth here.

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All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.

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is the main case page, but the evidence and proposal sections have now been closed. There still hasn't been much feedback from the arbs on it yet though. —

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I once received a threat in the mail. It was kind of disturbing, until I took a second look and noticed that it was addressed to "Occupant or Boxholder". ←

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thanks for the notes folks. Looks like I have a lot of reading to do. May take me a day or three to digest everything, but I'll do my best. cheers. —

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Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at

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Many thanks for your kind words & offer. I'm take it slowm bit by bit - all I've done so far are a few PRODS, one indef block of a sockpuppet (

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because I was an admin. for your own goals spoke loudly to me. There are few people that I have as much respect for as I have for you. Cheers. —

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Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)

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I was really hoping to be able to get somewhere and try and retrieve the situation, if it was at all possible. Thing is, I can empathise with

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Same same. *My time has its limits too online. That sounds good, to cogitate a bit on any ideas that may fruit, and also have a fine weekend.

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nurture each of them beyond what a tutor could accomplish one-on-one. In short, if he asks for help, I can attest that he deserves the help.

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work. I figure there's really only about 150 people actually here, each with multiple accounts. It all does make one wonder doesn't it? —

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DC Knowledge (XXG) meetup #28 is on Saturday, March 10, 2012, from 7pm on at Capitol City Brewery in downtown DC. (11th & H St NW).

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if she found the good stuff here, she might take some positive things back to WR ... but ... doesn't seem to be the case. —

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The downside of having a good eye is that sometimes you get punched in it. :( Nothing a nice steak won't cure, though. :) ←

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You probably didn't follow last year's leaks of ArbCom emails, no reason why you should, but I learned my lesson with poor

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even. This is the type of conduct I am releatedly required to put up with from this editor. An attack like this is

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has now been opened against him. As before, I hope I don't seem like I'm badgering, but this is why we don't grant

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over there, and removing it from view anywhere else it was mentioned, too? My own feeling is that if this editor

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often when I say anything - it comes back to bite me in the ass. It seems the more I learn, the less I know. —

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Hey guys and gals. I do want to get to that civility sandbox thing indeed. Just that real life has been very

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want to be an admin. For those that truly care about the project from an encyclopedic standpoint, being a

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wiki-memory. As you say, you keep your eyes open, and learn - and sometimes the less said the better. —

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Chick flick. From a play. Pregnant girl. Other guy helps her. Friends. Yea, good date movie. LOL...```

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OK .. I'll take a look the first chance I get .. thanks for keeping me informed, I appreciate that. —

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maybe even tell him to save that page to his HD if he wants, but his young age is a concern I think. —

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editor; we need more like her, and driving her off the 'pedia really doesn't help the 'pedia at all.

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An old saying I'm reminded of: "You can't wrestle with a pig, without getting dirty yourself". :-) —

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still turning over in my mind how it might be best presented. Thank you again for everything, and I

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Pawprints? Den? Between this and the previous section, Ched's page is turning into a bear market. ←

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Well I for one am curious as heck what the questions might be, so I volunteered for an interview.

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Thank you so very much Gerda .. this is a thought I shall cherish for a long time to come. :) —

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768:("I am content in my good fortune"). I wasn't when I wrote it, but now, wishing you the same, -- 764:

ps to my entry above, but fits well here: the title of Bach's cantata for tomorrow (in prep) is

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enforced, and very VERY seldom - maybe you get some quality from it .. but it's very very rare.

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follow through on your link and thoughts soon. Hope you're having a great weekend. cheers. —

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is pretty much the standard for user talk pages. What in particular were you wanting to know?

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explains how to set up and configure the archiver, but let me know what other help you need.

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Hey guys .. thanks for everything - really appreciate that. Hope everyone is doing well. —

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admin. how to become a better and more productive example to the project. I also would be

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of the Speedy. The following edit was left after mine by User Kenatibo. The 'BS' is me,

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you are such kind and good people - I consider myself truly blessed to have met you. —

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Your sandbox has very few people's pawprints in it. I seem to have made a den there.

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a 60's British film. Friends all said it to each other. Like "Hi" and Bye". TRA! ```

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my watch list, and most of my time here is actually spent keeping an eye on them. ←

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If you had six male siblings, and all of you got married on the same day, it would

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Join us for an evening of socializing, chatting about Knowledge (XXG), discussing

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Your insightfulness and perception of situations it is a pleasure to observe.--```

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I guess you watch PS anyway, I added. Thanks for the wisdom in the above also, --

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With regard to this, I note (as a courtesy) that you have also been discussed at

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Would it be possible for you to drop a few friendly, wise and thoughtful words

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Roses are red...so is this star. We are all so lucky, that you are who you are.

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picks it up, fine. In the meantime, I'll just go back to meandering. TRA! ```

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to users who haven't created a decent number of good, new articles. Sorry.

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Not an SPI - just checking if the block was merited ad executed properly.

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My previous concerns about assigning autopatrolled without enough articles

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If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at

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Nice quote indeed. But I think we all know how this case will end.

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stopped your breath?— (Trans. Mitchell, 2004) (From WP article

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All fine Steve, just a whole lot to take in at the moment. —

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I've never used up myself, but they shouldn't be that hard.

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I saw. And I don't know either. But it bears watching. ←

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There's a third option, which is following the steps at

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Hey, hey, hey... he's smarter than your average bear~!

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