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dismiss him as a mythical hero. To me, however, the account of
Chedorlaomer and the battle has more elements of historical reality than most myth. The detailed listing of each of the kings involved, the lame but realistic cause of difficulty (bitumen pits), and precise, un-magical number (318) of warriors sent to recover Lot... this story seems more an excerpt from a genuine chronicle than a fantastic piece of myth or speculation. The thinking, then, is that if Chedorlaomer could be identified, then so could Abraham be placed in history (assuming he wasn't inserted into the story for unspecified reasons). Unfortunately, Chedorlaomer is a mystery too. I admit: this thinking isn't very original (hence the numerous attempts to identify him), but nevertheless it happened to be my thinking back on the wonderful summer day I made the account to stomp on some shameless self-promotion/advertising.
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editing to my IP address, since this compromises anonymity. So, I edited the topic on IP for months afterward, and eventually started an account restricted to those topics edited by IP to make the editing easier and so that people would stop calling me anon. Under IP and its associated account, I generally stuck to the original topic but occasionally entered into other topics either upon request or because it not make sense for me to use
Chedorlaomer, and I have always tried to avoid making the connection obvious because that would connect the IP to this account. The restriction of the IP-associated editing to just a few topics preserves anonymity by giving the IP a less distinctive appearance while still allowing me to edit on the topic. The separation between the two accounts is nearly absolute, without overlap on any article that I can see.
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the basis; the separation originates in security concerns, and I do not use multiple accounts to get around blocks (I do not have any blocks anyway until the fishing incident) or play around with different sides of a dispute or whatever else might be called "bad hand." I do get in disputes, with both accounts, but these are content disputes without relation to each other. The real question about this block is whether or not I employ multiple accounts in an abusive manner, and I say confidently that I do not. I do not know why I was
Checked without any due process or even reason for suspicion (which the documentation strongly recommends) but it has damaged my attempt to continue my editing in relative anonymity.
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coverage. The finger is pointed at violent video games, and also to some extent similar movies. Anyway, I created the category in hopes that the cases where "played video games" was noted or even blamed by the media could be looked at side-by-side for research purposes. Maybe you will look at all of the cases and decide that there was no element of causation behind the causation. I'm not trying to say that video games caused it; the category is designed to help better understand the debate. Should I, perhaps, change it to "violent video games" to be fair on puzzle players? Or does this still seem unreasonable to you?
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This is not a "bad hand" account, but rather my main account. The other account (which I would like to avoid mentioned by name if possible) was created later because I had made some IP edits on a certain topic back in
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I have reviewed these already. I argued against these allegations. Your response does not address my case. There is nothing abusive about my use of multiple accounts. Apparently getting involved in disputes makes an account unclean, and the other account has been involved in disputes, so it must not
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I am struggling to see how this is relevant. Perhaps the young man was influenced by video games to some degree or another, but you must ask the question: who under the age of about 20 these days has NOT played a video game at least once in his or her life? Should we also add that he watched movies,
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You missed the point i think. In Akbar's reign people of Hindoo race were forced to wear yellow patches or in local language "tukda" for easy identification. Hitler's reign had the same thing happen to jewish community. No claim is made one influenced the other rather just pointed out the similarity
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December created an account just to do the IP's editing. Chedorlaomer has remained my account for everything else. The two accounts did not edit any articles in common, leave alone engage in abuse of multiple accounts.
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If you read the source it is clear that Hindoo race was made to wear a patch on their clothes so that they could be identified. Same was the requirement on Jewish race when they were asked to wear a patch so that they could be identified by the nazis. Just identical facts from two different times.
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Ah, another AGF-violating accusation of "vandalism." You are plugging in material from a primary source. You aren't supposed to farm quotes like this. These quotes are often used by Hindu nationalists, communalists, and perhaps some
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have a concern that certain contributions are in a sensitive area, you could have a second account to keep those contributions separate. But your other account looks like a main account. Could you explain the purpose of your two accounts more precisely?
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What I was trying to get at is that I don't understand what the "restricted topic" is. You pretty much appear to have two main accounts. You can email me if you want to be so careful about your anonymity.
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