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I'm proposing for the three paragraphs where the gen starts in 1995-1997 to be grouped into one, what do you think? The millennials article had a similar thing going on where sources that ended the generation around 1994-1996 were grouped together. Yes I know it's a different article with different
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organizations. And since they are using the same date ranges, these are combined into one paragraph. Multiple different organizations using the same date ranges is not "overciting"; it's just what they are using. And no, this should not be combined with Pew's paragraph; Pew's paragraph focuses on
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In the LA Times source, when it says "By next year, millennials, born between 1981 and 1996, are projected to outnumber baby boomers," the line "projected to outnumber baby boomers" links to a Pew source. In the PBS source, the first two paragraphs contain links to both Pew and People-Press.org
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different set of sources. And you don't need to start a talk page discussion regarding the changes. Just make your changes edit by edit so people can actually see what you're trying to do. But I grouped a bunch of them together now, so let me know your thoughts here.
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It should be noted that, in the third paragraph, the LA Times source and the PBS source actually cite Pew
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Reuters do a great job at introducing the paragraph and section. Oxford starts off with the most general definition of millennial, then Rauch and Reuters gives us the "widely accepted" definition. It flows well.
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I agree that the U.S. PIRG source doesn't seem notable enough to include. It's outdated, and as you said, just for a transportation report, not an in-depth sociological study on millennials. Would it be alright with you if I removed
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I like your restructuring. Now, should the date ranges from Forbes, Business
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