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You didn't "wrong" me per se. Judging by your talk page right now and all the warnings you've received and the amount of cleanup others (including I) have to do after 98% of your edits (unsourced, WP:SYNTH), don't be surprised that your edits need frequent re-checking, not just by me on the articles
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I'm proposing for the three paragraphs where the gen starts in 1995-1997 to be grouped into one, what do you think? The millennials article had a similar thing going on where sources that ended the generation around 1994-1996 were grouped together. Yes I know it's a different article with different
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adding unsourced or poorly sourced content. You are unlikely to be unblocked as long as it seems you do not understand what you were blocked for. Secondly, you give no indication what edit you are referring to, apparently expecting administrators to search through your editing history to find out
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organizations. And since they are using the same date ranges, these are combined into one paragraph. Multiple different organizations using the same date ranges is not "overciting"; it's just what they are using. And no, this should not be combined with Pew's paragraph; Pew's paragraph focuses on
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article: dictionary dates, Pew dates, other media dates, Howe dates, non-U.S. dates. This made the section a lean five paragraphs, compared to the current eight paragraphs which seems like overkill to me. Should I first seek consensus on the talk page, or can I go through with the edits piece by
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In the LA Times source, when it says "By next year, millennials, born between 1981 and 1996, are projected to outnumber baby boomers," the line "projected to outnumber baby boomers" links to a Pew source. In the PBS source, the first two paragraphs contain links to both Pew and People-Press.org
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paragraph focuses on the Pew Research Center: Pew's definition of millennials is presented, along with the reasons why they chose the date ranges they did, the importance and widespread use of Pew's definition by the various media outlets and statistical organizations that cite Pew's definition
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The way it's organized now is: 1) Dictionary definitions 2) Pew's definition 3) Those that start Gen Z at 1997 (or after 1996, same thing) 4) Those that start Gen Z at 1995 5) Those that start at 1996 6) And definitions that use different names for Generation Z ("Children of Baby Boomers" and
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you tried to add to these different articles (see that discussion above we just had). But just because one section is organized one way on another article doesn't mean this section should be organized the exact same way. Millennials and Generation Z are two different articles with completely
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because if you actually read the Brookings Institution and the Reuters sources, they literally use the phrase "widely accepted" in the articles themselves, hence "widely accepted" is able to be put in the lead of the article. And the lead sentence matches the body of the article
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article? Reason being is that these aren't sociological institutions that give in-depth reasons for their date ranges; rather they're more focused on the business side of things, and create ranges based on marketing. Forbes isn't even consistent with their definition, using
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you can probably tell why it's organized that way. Fourth paragraph is basically what other organizations use that are not the widely accepted definition. The fifth paragraph is about the two authors. The sixth paragraph ends the section with information about the cusp.
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different set of sources. And you don't need to start a talk page discussion regarding the changes. Just make your changes edit by edit so people can actually see what you're trying to do. But I grouped a bunch of them together now, so let me know your thoughts here.
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It should be noted that, in the third paragraph, the LA Times source and the PBS source actually cite Pew Research, not just using 1981-1996 on their own whim like the Federal Reserve Board or ABC Australia. Should I move those particular sources up to the second
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Not really... Rauch and Reuters do a great job at introducing the paragraph and section. Oxford starts off with the most general definition of millennial, then Rauch and Reuters gives us the "widely accepted" definition. It flows well.
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I agree that the U.S. PIRG source doesn't seem notable enough to include. It's outdated, and as you said, just for a transportation report, not an in-depth sociological study on millennials. Would it be alright with you if I removed
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I'd also like to move the Jonathan Rauch source into the second paragraph, as it directly cites Pew, while the Reuters source can go in the third paragraph, as it uses 1981-1996 seemingly on its own whim. Would that be alright with
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Yes, I'm alright with that; and regarding LA Times and PBS, ctrl-F "Pew" on those two articles doesn't show anything for Pew. How'd you know they are citing Pew? (Let's keep the discussion on your talk page and no need to ping.)
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My other question: since sources by Forbes, Business Insider, and Goldman Sachs were removed from the "Date and range definition" section of the Millennials article, should they also be removed from that section of the
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How was the information I added incorrect/unsourced? In the second source on the very sentence I edited, it cites "Nason, Leslie J." as the author of that 1963 Daily Press article. In fact it's a direct link to the
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I like your restructuring. Now, should the date ranges from Forbes, Business Insider, and Goldman Sachs be kept or can they be removed? As I've said before I feel their definitions are more business-oriented than
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Alright, I understand your points. However, don't "most often understood", "most experts", and "usually defined" have similar connotations to "widely accepted"? It's not the exact wording, but the meaning is
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what you are referring to. It is entirely likely that that is one of the reasons your unblock request has not been dealt with before. Thirdly, you appear to be referring to an edit you made in the article
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Sure, that's fine. I wanted to be courteous since I felt like I had wronged you before, and felt like I needed your permission to fully proceed with the edits. But if namedropping is weird to you, I do
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sources, but I think this new grouping would make things tight and compact; the 1996 start dates paragraph in particular looks rather stubby and could easily be merged into another.--
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Before making massive changes to the structure and organization of the section, please do it edit by edit so editors can actually see what you're trying to change. The diff view
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Unrelated to the above, but do you think the 2014 US Pirg report is notable enough to be included? 2014 seems a bit outdated and it's only used once in a transportation report.
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Also, shouldn't Jean Twenge's definition be mentioned too? She's mentioned so many times in the article in other sections. I can't seem to find a source for her, though.
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paragraph of the section introduces Oxford Living Dictionaries' general definition of Millennials and what the widely accepted definition of Millennials is.
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When it comes to the restructure, no sources were removed. Rather they were regrouped in a way similar to that of the Date and age range section of the
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in the article and nor did the three sources you added in that same edit support the use of "widely accepted." Hence, the
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Can Goldman Sachs be removed? They did imply a Gen Z range of 1995-2005 in 2018, as they called them
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Business Insider isn't as important as the other outlets listed (and it's yellow here:
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The Business Insider source is actually decent on this Gen Z article, since
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