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Bullshido has transcended far beyond that. They've come to an elitist mindset where no school affiliated with any of their shit list organizations nor any of their students are credible as "martial artists". It's evolved into bragging rights and chest thumping. (Just ask JKDChick sometime what her thoughts are on ATA students). My point is, if an organization decided to "Westernize" their teaching style to make martial arts more accessible to Americans, that can be okay. It's not how you might do it, but it is a far cry from foul business practices. Each school and instructor needs to be held accountable for their own training and actions. Instead, they choose to demonize what they disapprove of, because they would never choose it for themselves and don't think others should have the power to do so, either. Combating ignorance is one thing, but they ... yeah, this is turning into a rantĀ :) At any rate it's a pleasant change to talk to someone sane from the site. Looking forward to working with you, too!
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Bullshido site or it's article and I did not even state directly my view of such comments. If you have a problem with a POV I hold (yes I strongly dissagree with practices described in the articles) please discuss it with me rather than deriding my comments. I know nothing first hand of the ATA, and while I have heard may things that I would consider bad practice I deliberaly did not mention the style or school, but commented of the stated actions of the instructor. --
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Bullshido website I also believe in supporting Knowledge's NPOV as being essential to make it useful, so a voice from a source that has been critisized would help add balance, the problem is that most voices have been rants not constructive critisims that can be engaged with.
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I am glad that you have been able to help the reader and look forward to working with you else where. P.S. on the TKD page if you have looked at the history you will be aware that strong oppnions abound so any calm voice is helpfull (unless you want to skip the headaches... I avoided is for 3 months
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strongly at something which you intended to help the woman who posted. On a side note, I've been in communication with her, and I have actually met her instructor in person before, and live in the same city, so she and I are discussing her situation in detail. Thanks for the help though.Ā :)
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