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perfect. My only intent is definitely not to promote that site, that is false as well - I have added 2 great history photos, if you check they are still there and I don't intend on ever trying to add that link again - she is also retaliating by trying to blacklist the link for no good reason. It is NOT just an affiliate link / ticket selling site, it's an independent guide with weather, history, event info, parking info, directions and alot more.. I have 40 years of great knowledge about Jones Beach and plan on adding useful info, not links. thanks
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a trap. My domain is way more than tickets, it has been and STILL IS the de facto independent guide since 1996, way before
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can and cannot do. In other words, you did not try your best. What you cannot do, for instance, is exhibiting this kind of uncollegial behavior, full of personal attacks. Having to pay attention to these talk page posts is just a waste of our resources, and the shots below the belt in them are uncalled for. Talk page access revoked.
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It's a minor edit to the lead, correcting ERRORS and order of importance in his life. which is more in line with other
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thank you, at least someone else has acknowledged how picayune this is. This is a MINOR edit - I based the corrected lead on Both Mark Spitz and
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there is no edit war, check the talk page on Klete Keller, my edit has been accepted for good reason: From my point of view, there is truth in what you are both saying. If he weren't an
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I see no attack. The link goes straight to an affiliate link / ticket selling site. Not clear on how it is useful and there's a clear COI here. For this kind of material, it would be best to just send people to the LiveNation site since they're the actual operator and first party. Unfortunately, you
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to an article (a BLP!) that was nothing but an unreferenced and abusive rant. Intentionally or otherwise, the disruption you are causing greatly outweighs any good you are doing here. It is shocking to see such bad behaviour from somebody who was generously granted an unblock. If I was an admin I'd
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You aren't owed a response. You were told your link was inappropriate. That was true on March 7. It's still true today. The link wasn't blacklisted out of retaliation, it was blacklisted because it's not an appropriate site to link here. That's not to say your site is a bad site, just that it's not
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There are a number of issues here. I suspect that you know what they are but I'll set out the main ones. The text you keep on spamming is abusive of the living subject of a biographical article. The text you keep on spamming is unreferenced and uncorroborated. For all we know it might not be the
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wow I'm not "owed" a response? and I'm supposed to know that?? really? usually when someone asks a polite question a normal polite person responds - again i politely asked on March 24 if adding it would be ok and she failed to respond, now i'm blocked because of her failure to respond? I'M NOT A
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are you sure you read everything - i politely asked on March 24 if adding it would be ok and she failed to respond, now i'm blocked because of her failure to respond? I don't always remember to log in, I work on the road so that's why multiple ip - not sure why that is such a huge deal, I'm not
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in instead of edit warring over a matter. To be unblocked, I think the user should demonstrate understanding of edit warring as an issue and a willingness not to participate in it, rather than just saying that it was justified because someone else later agreed with their edit.
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It was spam because you added it twice to Lia Thomas’s talkpage and twice to mine, because you couldn’t get that it wasn’t suitable. You added it because you don’t agree with how she is treated with respect, don’t come at us with complaints about being unfair
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other editors, even highly problematic ones, get and have gotten this. It is a huge deal because if we didn't take it that way, bad actors would be exploiting it. Your level of indifference to this makes it highly doubtful, to me, that you will ever be
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not sure why you are so hostile for no reason. It's not spam it's the original independent guide like many other type links on wikipedia that have no problems. I asked you on March 24 and you never responded. seems like there's ulterior motives here.
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this is not spam what is going on here? jonesbeach.com has been THE go-to page for all long islanders for jones beach concert listings since 1996 - and ALSO the designated website for this wiki since wiki started in 2001
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have trouble understanding how their behavior or edits are inappropriate, they need to pause and ask for clarity. Perhaps request an uninvolved admin chime in and make things clearer for them/judge the situation.
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I was told to add it to the talk page because it wasn't suitable for the article, now it's not even allowed on the talk page? Wow and now you are telling me I can't complain when it's clearly unfair? amazing.
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swimmer, not competition. See other swimmers wiki page like Michael Phelps and Mark Spitz, they use competitive swimmer. Additionally he has not been sentenced yet for over 1 year.
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