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an admin to do it, which I am not. The Paleo database says that
Hesperornithes is not valid, so it may be an alternate/old classificaton? The Paleo website lists Hesperornithiformes as good taxa with its parent Odontoholomorphae which has yet to be created (a superorder). It then lists Ornithurae as the parent of Odontoholomorphae which you do have, and you are back on track. Many of the listed genera have now found their way to their respective families, with the exception of Judinornis which can't be found on the Paleontology database, however Knowledge (XXG) suggests Hesperornithiformes. Best solution to move Hesperornithes to Hesperornithiformes, and tweak the article and taxobox to reflect the new taxonomy? I'd do it, but I'm not an admin....
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well, while the printing is pod, the actual content of the book as far as Amazon etc are concerned is set, and a revised edition would need to pass the publication proofing process (which clearly works like a charm, irony, more than a few typos etc. made it through) again and be assigned a new isbn.
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Hi, Dinoguy2! Yesterday you changed many stem/node/etc. "rank"s back to the "rank" clade. Is there a particular reason for that? I know that stem/node aren't ranks, but the same thing is true about "clade"s. Is there any way to add a line for definitions in taxonomy templates (like the line for
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Thanks for the heads up....I'll leave the bird paleo to you and others, just thought I'd help on the bird side given the uncertain structure up at that level. Livesey and Zusi looked good, well written, confirmed by another source and comprehensive. Little did I know
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Thanks again guys! An index of illustrated taxa is on the to-do list for an eventual second editionĀ :) The book is indeed done as POD. I'm sure a signed copy could be arranged if desired but would entail a higher shipping cost. Any arrangements should be made through
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the most information amalgamated in it, the best. So, why to keep the information dispersed? We can even create, if the taxonomy section is big enough, an article about that topic. But anyway, we create the boundaries in this case, so it can be a matter of tastes.--
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hello there! just saw you're a participant in the reptiles project. i created a few stubs recently, and was wondering if the project needed some assistance in that regard. i hope you can let me know. cheers!
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Phylogeny of Modern Birds (Therapoda, Aves: Neornithes) Based on Comparative Anatomy II. Analysis and Discussion. Zoological Journal of the Linnean Society 149:
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Congratulations from here too, the premise of the book is ingenious! Hope the inevitable superstardom and gazillions won't drag you too far away from Wikipdia!
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Thanks guys! The Look Inside preview on amazon does somehow manage to leave out any illustrations but a few previews can be seen at www.panaves.com.
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