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they say the women were trying to protect him. I also don't like saying "raiders". 3: The section has two paragraphs talking about Seals and then they are refered to as "raiders" for two sentences. This looks odd and lacks consistency. Is there a reason for using raiders other than that the source called them that in the headline?
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The above examples are how I determined, in my contribs., whether to use "SEALs" vs. "raiders". In short, during the actual activity of "raiding" the compound, I've gone on to call them "raiders". When acting in any other capacity during the mission, I've gone on to address them as "SEALs". This
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not only better conveys the urgency of the situation (supporting pre-emptive self defence) but allows the reader to understand why he was shot so quickly, which I believe was the intent of your original edit that mentioned the belief twice. 2: The sources do not say he was hiding behind the women,
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I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you in this case. Regardless of what was going through the minds of the raiders, we can only contribute reliable reported content. We are required to write and source content without plagiarizing the source material. The reliable source stated, "the three SEALs
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There are 2 separate areas of that one article that I cited to support the text that was inserted. It's not right to tell me not to include them, AND then say I'm not properly sourcing the content. There is nothing in those edits that is not substantiated or supported in these other refs in the
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