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433:, Slim Virgin seems to be in the California time zone. Now, it is 4 am there. Let's wait 6-8 more hours. I am pritty sure SlimVirgin will correct his/her error. I do not see any sign that he/she targetted you in any way. The way Anonimu tricked him/her is on record. Now, if SlimVirgin would not clear your block log and warn Anonimu, that would be a totally different issue. But the chance of that happening is very small, because a civilized user/admin will never want his/her reputation blackened by such a stupid incident. IMO, right now the incident is absolutely minor and IMHO you should forget about it once corrected. (I mean not to forget Anonimu's abuses, which are very serious, but the blocking incident.) Of course, there is the potential of the incident blowing up big time if the error is not corrected. But as I said, that is not probable, IMHO.
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Second, (to Dc76), I'm still blocked. Funny enough, just after the first block by SlimVirgin I still had the right to reply on the 3RR page. This is how I managed to place my short reply there, but then I was fully blocked by SlimVirgin (is this normal?). What can I say: I have already fought against
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salutare. m-ai intrebat cum de sunt hutul si totusi romîn in documente. pai în romînia traiesc aproximativ 70 000 de ucraineni potrivit ultimului recensamînt, si mult mai multi in realitate (majoritatea nu se mai declara ucraineni, mai ales pt ca isi iau sotii / soti romîni ori de alte etnii), iar
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For the block logs, I have a solution that is easy to remember: Take a look at the 3RR report of
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